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TFDi 717 or Leonardo Maddog?

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Hi All,

Long time simmer and lurker, first time poster here!

I upgraded to P3D V4 a couple of months ago and have been updating my scenery and hanger with each paycheck and have now got to a point where i'm looking for my next aircraft that i haven't got and i'm looking for something not Airbus or Boeing. I am a study level flyer (finally got proper fsuipc recently to get down to the knitty gritty of multi-engine control!) and fly both Aerosoft A3XX professional and PMDG 737 and 747.

I have seen the MD-82 and the 717 and was wondering which one to go for? I mostly fly in Europe so both would now be quite niche but i quite like that idea eg DAT flying MD-82 or the Volotea 717 plus using house liveries for private flights.

My rig is a 6700k and 1070 so i would expect performance not to be an issue - the PMDG 747 flies like a beauty with Tomatoshade and rain effects.

Thanks for any guidance

James

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Very good question , i have both and they serve me well when i can find the time for them.

If i absolutely should have one i would pick up the Maddog . More retro 🙂

Michael Moe

 

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Go get both. It is very interesting how the cockpit has developed from traditional style to all glas. Also interesting how complicated APU handling and engine start is in the MD-82 and how it has been simplified in the B-717. The MD-82 is a wonderful piece of aviation history and definitely has more workload. The B-717 - especially its FMC - reminds me of the Fokker 70/100 by former developer Digital Aviation, which was one of my favorite planes in FSX.

Michael

 

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I have both. Get the Maddog.

The 717 is a beauty but unfortunately the CTDs weren’t resolved yet for some.

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Maddog - in my view one of the best FS airliners ever.

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I don't have the 717 but I did cave in last month when SP1 (beta) was released by Leonardo for the Maddog X. Didn't have much chance to dive deep into it yet, but for what I've seen until now, I am deeply impressed by it. Attention to detail is stunning on the Maddog and imho surpaces PMDG.

So in short; I'd recommend the Maddog 😎

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I don't have the 717 but do have the MD80. 
It is easily on par with any PMDG aircraft, so one of the best in my hangar.
Besides that, MD80 cockpit is in between steam-gauges and full glass cockpit which I like the best.

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Ideally, get both. They're great products in their own classes. 

If you had to choose one, the TFDi 717 still suffers from some CTDs which might be resolved with the next P3D update but it isn't as polished as the MD so I would go with the MD80. It is up there with FSL and Majestic, way above PMDG.

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No wrong answer. They're both wonderful addition to the DC9 series fans hanger.. The Maddog has a steeper learning curve but does have an FS2 Crew FO available if you prefer to fly with an assistant.

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I have both...and also the DC9 Coolsky (but that's another story ;-))

In terms of systems, they are more deeply modelled in the Maddog. We are at the level of Majestic, Pmdg and so....
Be advised that the Maddog will be installed on disk 😄 (4GB). The installer does not give you the choice of location. Many users protested (including me). So far Leonardo has remained deaf to complaints!

The B717's systems are less sophisticated than the Maddog's, but it is a very pleasant aircraft to use and fly. The textures and lighting are superb and really a success.
If you have MCE, a complete set of flows is almost finished and will be available very soon.
I have never had a CTD with the TFDI but it's true, some have had this problem.

If you can take both. Otherwise, watch the many videos on Youtube to help you make a choice.

Richard

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I have both.  If getting both is not an option, it comes down to what era of aircraft you would prefer.

They are both excellent addons, FYI I have no CTD issues with the 717.

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I own both and prefer the Maddog due to the fact it is a plane that challenges you and you have to know how to operate it in all phases of flight. As far as the 717 goes, I have owned it since release and have built two different systems with different hardware and I am still getting CTD since P3Dv3.4 - P3Dv4.3 when cycling views from outside to inside. I can run the Maddog all day long without system restarts and it flies all day long.

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3 hours ago, Shomron said:

I have both. Get the Maddog.

The 717 is a beauty but unfortunately the CTDs weren’t resolved yet for some.

I never have CDTs with the 717.  It's a very stable aircraft.

If some people are having problems it is probably something in their computer setup, like antivirus or bad memory.

I could never pick from either the Maddog or the 717.  I have them both and couldn't do without either.

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4 minutes ago, Wise87 said:

I am still getting CTD since P3Dv3.4 - P3Dv4.3 when cycling views from outside to inside

I don't have the B717, but from some friends I heard the same about those CTDs. They've been crazy trying to solve it.

I have the Maddog, and I can only confirm what others are saying here, it's really a wonderfull simulation of the MD82.

Cheers, Ed

 

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1 hour ago, DrumsArt said:

The installer does not give you the choice of location. Many users protested (including me). So far Leonardo has remained deaf to complaints!

The installer directs to your Documents folder.  This was brought up in Beta testing and LM suggests to developers to install there not the Sim Objects folder.  The work around for this and I would recommend this to anyone.  Is to move your documents folder to another hard drive.  This ensures backups of all your work also.  Plus now your are splitting the load to three hard drives 🙂

On a side note, A2A installs into this directory as well with no other option if I recall.

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The Maddog is a fun aircraft and I just fly it in sequence with the AS A320/ AS CRJ / PMDG 737 & 777 / QW 787 / FSW LJ35 for the complexity it involves. Highly recommended. However, if you want a modern airliner then the 717 is great.

BTW I have mapped the various functions of the Maddog to my Switch Panel through SPAD Next. Send me an email if you want it. Automates a lot of functions. You will need SPAD Next.

Shez

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MADDOG! You'll never regret it. Just consider buying TSSs sounds because stock ones are rubbish. Otherwise, performance is top notch (best performer on my potato even with trueglass stuff) and the handling is just a charm. Avionics are very good and you get all the stuff you'd expect in the real one. (best flight for me would be KMSP to KDCA) . Unlike others IT IS worth the 80 USD that are asked for. Wish they sold immersion for it.(there's already FS2crew)

IMO the tfdi would be an alternative to an MD-11. It's between an airbus and a boeing. Although performance seems to be a bit poor.

And from a historic point of view, I think less than 10 carriers bought the 717 so for the liveries the md-82 sold much better.

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Thanks gents I’ve jumped in a got the maddog. Only thing is I’m struggling to find the livery manager in the load manager for p3d v4. Can any provide any advice on where to find it?

thanks

James

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23 minutes ago, LH340fan said:

MADDOG! You'll never regret it. Just consider buying TSSs sounds because stock ones are rubbish. Otherwise, performance is top notch (best performer on my potato even with trueglass stuff) and the handling is just a charm. Avionics are very good and you get all the stuff you'd expect in the real one. (best flight for me would be KMSP to KDCA) . Unlike others IT IS worth the 80 USD that are asked for. Wish they sold immersion for it.(there's already FS2crew)

IMO the tfdi would be an alternative to an MD-11. It's between an airbus and a boeing. Although performance seems to be a bit poor.

And from a historic point of view, I think less than 10 carriers bought the 717 so for the liveries the md-82 sold much better.

Good points. The one thing which the 717 falls down on is that only Delta fly it so flight choice is scarce.

I also agree with the sounds. Very weak, and even worse in the spot view where it is almost silent. The Maddog is a noisy old girl externally compared to the current crop of airliners (although it is silent in the cockpit/front seats because of the rear mounted engines). I have not bought the payware sounds but I use the freeware sounds from the AVSIM Library which are better.

 

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The livery manager is in the load manager. It is a rectangular button on the right hand side of "General" tab.

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I own both, but either of them haven't had much chance to fly. Nevertheless, my two cents:

- The Maddog is a wonderful aircraft. back in FS2004 and then FSX the previous versions were my aircraft of choice. It's a challenging and fun plane to fly. The systems are retro as somebody here mentioned, thus needing a sometimes startling level of manual input. Thus this is not a plan that I view as 'quick in and out', which the PMDG 737 is for me. Within minutes I can set it up to go. Though perhaps when I become more proficient with the Maddog, that will work similarly. I will ad that A/P-wise the plane has all modern conveniences. It's age really comes up when it comes to system automation, such as the pressurization system, for instance.

- The 717 is equally fun to fly. Having had no experience with the 717 at all from prior products, but having used the PMDG MD-11, I was quite excited. I believe I wasn't let down. This is all around my kind of aircraft. Modern and therefore easy to get out of the gate. Like the MD-11, it's a funny mix of Boeing and Airbus, and so therefore initially a little confusing. But I got the hang of this quite quickly, and definitely much more quickly than the Maddog. After one flight I already feel much more comfortable.

So here's my advice: The Maddog is an older plane and therefore needs more manual input. Ultimately this makes it a wonderful plan to 'conquer' and you'll find that you'll get a great deal of joy form flying it properly. The 717 is equally fun but is much easier and quicker to master, and therefore may be more suited if you have less time overall per flight, or would like to get up and running more quickly. In the end, if you like the MD family, you might just want to get both, and take each of them out depending on how much time you have. Both still see a lot of use right now in the US, so there's plenty of routes especially from Atlanta.

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8 hours ago, thibodba57 said:

The installer directs to your Documents folder.  This was brought up in Beta testing and LM suggests to developers to install there not the Sim Objects folder.  The work around for this and I would recommend this to anyone.  Is to move your documents folder to another hard drive.  This ensures backups of all your work also.  Plus now your are splitting the load to three hard drives 🙂

On a side note, A2A installs into this directory as well with no other option if I recall.

I see that there is a misunderstanding about how you understood LM's recommendation. Sorry, but that's not quite correct.
The first recommendation of LM is to install the addons in the Prepar3D v4 Add-ons folder, regardless of the disk on which this folder is installed. Mine is on E:Prepar3D v4 Add-ons. In this folder I have all my addons whose developers have followed the installation procedure (A2A, Aerosoft, RealAir, FsLabs and so...).

The purpose of this process is both to comply with LM's recommendation while leaving the user the choice to put this folder where he wants, without forcing him to put it on the system disk, which for most of us is often of smaller capacity.

Now Leonardo for obscure reasons (I still haven't understood anything about their vague justifications), install their addon directly in C:\Users\***********\Documents\Prepar3D v4 Add-ons\MaddogX (1.45Gb) + another folder in C:\Users\***********\Documents\Maddog X Files (1.09Gb).

I grant you the total is 2.54Gb and not 4Gb as I wrote 😉

To my knowledge it is the only developer who, either by misinterpretation of LM recommendations (I doubt it), or by other reasons for which I am still waiting for justification, proceeds in this way!

The other folders I have in C:\Users\***********\Documents\Prepar3D v4 Add-ons contain some Aerosoft and ORBX files that are only 1 Kb xml files...
On my side I have 26.GB in my E:Prepar3D v4 Add-ons! Fortunately, not all developers practice this kind of installation.

End of (little) off-topic. Sorry...

Thank you and Regards,

Richard.

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6 hours ago, ShezA said:

The one thing which the 717 falls down on is that only Delta fly it

Don't Qantas still fly them ?

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11 minutes ago, ZKOKQ said:

Don't Qantas still fly them ?

Yes Quantas, Hawaiian Airlines also. Have a look on FlightAware, there are many of B717 in US, Australia and Hawaii islands flying right now.

Richard

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4 minutes ago, DrumsArt said:

Qantas, Hawaiian Airlines also

Plus Volotea and Turkmenistan.

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