7 minutes ago, reignman40 said:

I have noticed the GTA V characteristics on landings and ground handling in some videos. I just wish we could get an honest answer as to what the aerodynamic settings are in the options in those videos, if there is something like that? 

There are settings of realism and assists like in FSX. Try to only watch videos of people trying to test the simulation aspects of MSFS. Squirrel is doing an amazing job on that matter.

Edited August 12, 20205 yr by ca_metal

As we know crashes are not visualized in MSFS. That is how they want it, and its ok. So if you turn off crashing, and you move your airplane in such a way that in real life it would crash, but since breaking apart isnt allowed and the "crash signal" is turned off, I guess that is the main reason for these GTA physics on impact. They should have gotten a black screen when they touched down at 1000ft/m on one wheel, but the sim was forced to continue displaying the scene because crash was turned off.

It doesn't explain the whole thing, probably, and it would be super informative if Asobo did indeed comment on these things. 

When crash is turned off, you don't get the black screen (of death).  

I tried landing on something that wasn't a runway once, had to taxi uphill and was going too fast and hit a building.  I bounced off.  Which was fine with me, I didn't wanna redo the entire flight anyway. 🙂 

If you're in a Stearman and intersect the ground at any angle less than 30 degrees, you've landed.  If you're not in a Stearman and you have crashes turned off... you've landed.  Simple, really. 😄 

I just wish MSFS had a Stearman.

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On 8/11/2020 at 4:59 PM, Chock said:

Anyone who has ever flown an old taildragger aeroplane off a grass strip will know that when they get up on the main wheels, they skip and bounce on the take off roll as speed gathers, often getting weight off the wheels as they launch off an undulation, where there is not quite enough lift to make them fly, but the added impetus of going off a 'ramp' sees them briefly off the deck from time to time, before they eventually genuinely hit flying speed and launch into the air off one of these bumps and stay airborne. 

You know you are very good at describing practical flight phenomenon in an accessible way Alan. I think you could make a very lucrative YouTube channel if you could be bothered with the grind towards monetization!

Edited August 13, 20205 yr by n4gix
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So guys, basically what's being said while still being under NDA...is this:  taking the Cessna for example:  All or most of the videos we've seen can't really convey the feeling you will have, especially while landing-how the aircraft moves.  Most notably when you start 'dirtying' the plane up.  The rails are GONE, just like they said.  They have captured really well how the aircraft behaves (little bobs and weaves, etc.).  And the sounds are even more incredible in this phase.

This is something you're going to have to experience for yourself to fully understand.

1 hour ago, Mace said:

Greasers aren't always the best landings.

Got that right.

When I was learning to fly, at first I used to grease it on for every landing, and my instructor - who was really good - cautioned me about that, saying that whilst it was obvious I was good at landing and was greasing it on, one day I'd stuff it up and land hard and so I'd be better off doing it the less flashy way, which guarantees a good arrival every time. So...

Just in case anyone is not sure what a 'greaser is', that's when you time the flare and reducing airspeed perfectly so the wheels touch the deck the moment the aeroplane's wings stop flying, so you land super smooth and don't bounce. It's tricky because you fly into ground effect as you get above the runway surface, so you get a boost in lift which you have to counter in order to do a greaser well. The other way - which I was not doing - is to flare it slightly above the runway, then hold the stick back, and gradually let it settle, keeping the stick back as the speed bleeds off.

Being a smart@rse and cocky, I ignored Mike - my instructor's - advice on this and kept doing greasers, and he was a good enough instructor to allow me enough rope to hang myself as a lesson in humility. So one day I got a little bit fixated on the aim point and flared a fraction too late, and worse, I knew it so I tried to sort it by pulling back even harder. The result was we arrived really hard and after we got out of the aeroplane, my instructor was rubbing his back, which had clearly had a jolt from my cack-handed landing. He didn't labour the point but I could tell it had hurt him quite a bit. This made me feel awful, but he was very gracious and simply said, shall we start doing landings the other way?

That hard landing put a tiny hairline crack in the plastic of one of the wheel pant fairings. It was purely cosmetic and you had to look close to even spot it, but to me it might as well have been the wing hanging off, because I knew that it was me being a cocky git which caused it, and worse, I had given my instructor a sore back for the rest of the day, by me being an arrogant tool.

It's the only time I've ever put so much as a scratch on an aeroplane, and it was a lesson learned, both in flying, and in humility.

Edited August 12, 20205 yr by Chock

On 8/11/2020 at 8:01 PM, Chock said:

Got that right.

When I was learning to fly, at first I used to grease it on for every landing, and my instructor - who was really good - cautioned me about that, saying that whilst it was obvious I was good at landing and was greasing it on, one day I'd stuff it up and land hard and so I'd be better off doing it the less flashy way, which guarantees a good arrival every time.

Haha, yeah, in the new sim it's not going to be so easy to grease it in.

I've had plenty of times IRL where I thought I was going to make that perfect landing only to realize before it was to late that I was just a few feet to high!  Made a perfect pancake is what I did.

Edited August 13, 20205 yr by n4gix
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On 8/11/2020 at 4:02 PM, badderjet said:

Now what does that tell us?

I can assure you that if ....various adjustable parameters... are set for maximum realism, that an aircraft will not just “plant and stick” like in the video. I landed about 20 knots too fast in ...one of the models... flared badly, and bounced about 4 times before I finally got it settled.

Edited August 13, 20205 yr by n4gix
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2 hours ago, Mace said:

Wow.  Those links.  Makes me worry...will I be able to fly this sim?   I might have to start over from scratch.

Mathijs is wrong about one thing though.  A2A Simulations.  Their aircraft have a nice peaceful transition from flying to driving, if you land it that way.  Or you can plop it down on a short field.  Greasers aren't always the best landings.

Amen.  In fact a firm landing is typically considered better than a greaser.

Well, I guess now we'll complaint it's too real. "As real as it's get's"  Now, you don't like that? Get real !  😝

Honestly, I'm sure not even a  50-million-dollar sim behaves as a real-life aircraft. Everything is programmed to act and behave as close as possible to real life. And , in our sim it's the same. It's ok to simulate the air-disturbance and such, just don't make it too 'bouncy' cause I' don't want to make a career of tweaking flight sims. 

I think we'll adapt to the new sim, and learn  its new dynamics. I  believe we'll do just fine. I'll make sure I don't land backwards. 

Edited August 12, 20205 yr by joemiller

I feel like some of you landing fanatics will enjoy the physics modeling in DCS. I don't know how realistic it is but it feels lively. @1:53.

 

 

6 hours ago, badderjet said:

Given how landings look like with these vertical speeds just before touchdown,

Foxtrot Lima Alpha Papa Sierra....

7 hours ago, Andreas Stangenes said:

 The way he talks about it makes me a bit confused, because he mentions several types of aircraft (robin and a320 among others), and how he would refrain from commenting on their flight model/behaviour. He talks about it in such a way that it sounds like a universal flight model shared between all aircraft in the sim.

The way he uses the term Im not sure if I should enterpret it to mean the way the flight models interact with the forces in the gaming world, or the systems or the whole package, and if that pertains to only some or all of the aircrafts.

Nevertheless, he also says that he has no doubt that msfs will blow the other sims out of the water eventually. 

The way I read his comments, is that the sim has potential, but the day one package is not all that polished just yet..

😉

On 8/11/2020 at 4:02 PM, badderjet said:

Now what does that tell us?

It isn't issue with flying as much as suspension. Iirc Asobo said they are working on fixing it. 

Edited August 13, 20205 yr by n4gix
Damn it, I had to prune the quoted text. Again!

2 hours ago, Bert Pieke said:

The way I read his comments, is that the sim has potential, but the day one package is not all that polished just yet..

😉

Absolutely, a longish and winding exercise in pre-damage control 😏. In case...

Edited August 12, 20205 yr by Dominique_K