22 minutes ago, KillingJoke said:

What's up with the real weather bug? I have yet to stumble across any problems regarding the real weather, it always works fine.

Are the winds in the sim accurate for the area in which you're flying?  Apparently, for many people, they aren't anywhere close (and this is true of the weather as a whole for some, not just the winds).  Granted, I haven't tried live weather in the sim yet (and, frankly, all I'd get here if I tried would be boringly predictable clear summer days at the moment).

I also get the real weather working fine from day 1.

The only time I had clear skies all the time was when I was "playing" with the weather menu too much, so I restarted the sim and it worked fine.

This is a crosswind landing with real weather for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9guCGI4mNw&t=65s

 

20 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

what do we want to have at the end of the day ?

Nothing wrong to have good, simple fun, goofing around. Honestly, I look for more. Can we have both ? Maybe. We’ll see when real simcraft will be on the market.

everyone would answer this question differently, i think we can have both sides,
in contrast to my two friends i tend to your side, i prefer "as real as it gets",
same with the flight hardware (gamepad just for drone cam and walking around).
if you ask me what i want at the end of the day, for me it is VR 😁

Talk about covering the bare minimum, if this update was clothing it'd be a jockstrap 😆

Half way reading thru this thread and its simply too depressing  for all the want it NOW! demands. Had to skip ahead. Priority bugs and simconnect are addressed. Thats a start. It is what it is. Honestly I dont know how people can demand so much more with a project of this magnitude and complexity.  Prepar3d V5 released way early too. It took a few weeks to get a hotfix and another month to get another hotfix.  We can express the bugs and issues with mild discontentment, but lets have some reasonableness to it. Yes it was released way early, and protested this in the beta, but MS decided to release it anyway likely for financial reasons. Water under the bridge.  But there is no magic switch to fix bugs. I enjoy the sim for the positives it has now (it has quite a few with alot of Wow moments visually) and in due time, the negatives will get worked out. And if you cant handle that, then fall back to P3D or XP.  Its quite simple.  This will be an amazing sim, but lets wait for it to mature. (Like fine wine and cheese😄)

2 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

I am glad you had. But, what do we want to have at the end of the day ?
 
A visually pleasing game to have fun with friends and thats it, no headache please, or a  game with complex functionalities driven by what you call  « hardcore » simmers  (I would say simmers, no need for the adjective) ? 

Don’t make me wrong, I don’t mean to be derogatory to what you wrote. Nothing wrong to have good, simple fun, goofing around. Honestly, I look for more. Can we have both ? Maybe. We’ll see when real simcraft will be on the market.

There's still no indication this sim is planning to serve one group over the other.  This is the first post-release update, focused on putting out some of the more critical fires for buyers who literally can't use the thing they bought.

I expect there will be a pretty steady cadence of patches to fix actual bugs and broken things in the sim (ie. the live weather not working a lot of the time, the AP being janky), whereas tweaks to aircraft, flight models, etc. might go through some actual beta testing first for feedback before they go live.

4 minutes ago, Scottoest said:

There's still no indication this sim is planning to serve one group over the other.   

I expect there will be a pretty steady cadence of patches to fix actual bugs and broken things in the sim  

First point : agreed, an installation patch would cover all types of users and first things first.  

Second point : 'Expect' is a strong word after today update. I read what they tell us, not what I wish. The release of a feedback snapshot which has been since the beginning the list of top issues and their status and  of a roadmap will wait few weeks. If they need these "few weeks" just to make a framework, when do we see the patches ? And what kind of patches ? Not yet decided ?

Maybe the update copy writer expressed himself badly. Or maybe they are honest with us.

For me, two kinds of improvements expected should be distinguished (after solving installation issues) :

- those concerning aircrafts and aircafts' systems : I did not expect much of defaut aircrafts and some of them are already quite well modelized for VFR flights. Same according to sceneries : some emblematic monuments are missing for example (Notre-Dame in Paris, but VFR is prohibited over the French capital 😏), but it does not affect a good experience of simulation.

- It' s very different concerning live weather. This feature has to be implemented ASAP. You cannot fly without knowing exactly the strength and direction of winds on ground. Of course, you may set it manually, but it is not what was expected, even for a day one release.

Edited August 28, 20205 yr by danhenri

While I expected them to address only the major issues in regards to installing the sim and other crash issues, it would have been nice for them to actually address other problems, even just acknowledge they've been noted and they'll work to fix them at a later date. You can only hope the next update is more substantial and sorts out the in-game issues.

Some of the responses though.. talk about dramatic.. "sad patch.. a scandal" guy 😆

What puzzles me is that if they still have much of the human resources available why also don't start to implement smaller isolated improvements "alongside" major changes?

The missing ALT knob is an example. Looks like its just a missing knob model. Probably an already existing asset. A junior dev should be able to put it into the cockpit add clickspots and link them to already working commands.

The fact that they don't want/can't go with "a little bit more parallelism" worries me about not only the time it will take to sort out major flaws but also the extent of "minor" improvements we'll see overall...

Edited August 28, 20205 yr by Marco Manieri

1 hour ago, Dominique_K said:

First point : agreed, an installation patch would cover all types of users and first things first.  

Second point : 'Expect' is a strong word after today update. I read what they tell us, not what I wish. The release of a feedback snapshot which has been since the beginning the list of top issues and their status and  of a roadmap will wait few weeks. If they need these "few weeks" just to make a framework, when do we see the patches ? And what kind of patches ? Not yet decided ?

Maybe the update copy writer expressed himself badly. Or maybe they are honest with us.

Bug fixes and patches for broken things are different than a developer roadmap.  I would assume a roadmap is probably going to be to list long-term improvements and updates to the core product.  That's not the same as patching things already in the sim, that aren't working properly (ie. AP, live weather, etc.)

The roadmap might include things like longer-term improvements to the flight model, adding more functionality to the airliners, and so on.

Once the fires around getting the sim to install and run are put out, they can focus on fixing things inside the sim itself, and announcing a roadmap for the sim's future development.

7 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

We’re Hardly Deep months in.....

Ok, but lets remind ourselves of something that is very key...YOU are not months in yet, but THEY have been well aware of ALL the issues for a VERY long time now. It's not as if they released the game 10 days ago and are just now being made aware of all these issues. They've known about all of them for months/years before release. So...essentially, they are indeed months in.

Look folks, I'm all in for patience and for waiting to give MS the time they require to fix things and make it right... and in fact I was one of those who 3 weeks ago was posting, before the sim released, that all the fuss we're hearing and dealing with today should be expected and that the MOST important thing would be how well (or not) MS responds to it all and how much of it they will end up fixing over the first 12 months...

...but that being said,

I do NOT appreciate my good will & patience being well taken advantage of by a multi-billion dollar corporation who knows full well what they are giving us vs what they have eluded to be giving us in their marketing materials and attitudes. Lets face it, most of us really didn't expect THIS many game breaking issues at launch. I think most of us expected a few glaring problems with flight modeling, some glitchy scenery issues, and an odd bug here or there...but not a long list of things that any single item on that list could be reason enough for someone to actually shelve the game and wait it out. No, we didn't expect to see the vast amount of core problems that we ended up with. I've talked with a few of my long time friends who have been simming with me for 25+ years on this platform and they all had the same reaction...YES it looks fantastic!, but holy heavens this thing needs A LOT of work yet.

MS knew full well that their hard core flight sim fans here at Avsm would be upset by their simulator being released with all these serious omissions. They knew because all of our beta testers had already been on their butts for months about it.

They knew for a long time...yet they never thought it important enough to release a day 1 roadmap admitting what they knew all the issues to be, and IMO, after taking our money in hand this is the very minimum of what they owed us, a day 1 explanation. It's also the very least of what we should have expected to receive.

I see us as being 10 days into what we should have had 10 days ago. But no, they'll make us wait another month before they bless us with a roadmap that might not even have half the issues on it...who knows. Why the long wait for a simple explanation?

Folks, how do we expect the big software companies (not just MS) to respect us as customers if we don't first respect ourselves?

Done with the rambling, but it's how I truly feel...

Edited August 28, 20205 yr by hangar

Hi are u also making performace update so we can get better fps while flying and in the cabin. Because u got much fps drops while flying some airplanes and much significant fps drop on the big airplanes like boening and airbus. can u pls fix it.

Edited August 28, 20205 yr by w6kd
removed ridiculously long quote

@Ersin, please use English and not text speak in your messages. For many people here English is not their first language so writing in that style makes it harder for them to understand what you're saying.

Thanks!

30 minutes ago, Ersin said:

Hi are u also making performace update so we can get better fps while flying and in the cabin. Because u got much fps drops while flying some airplanes and much significant fps drop on the big airplanes like boening and airbus. can u pls fix it.

Please do not use the quote function to re-post several pages of material before adding a 2-line comment.

I'm not sure who you believe you're addressing here...this is not the Microsoft forum...nobody here is making an update to MSFS.