One good thing about MSFS is that it provides many avionics/cockpit/random failures and flaws BY DEFAULT, no matter your failure or realism settings are, so you can't escape them! No other flight simulator on the market gives such challenging experience! I'm loving it and I hope they bring more mandatory failures in the next patches!!!

2 hours ago, jmdriskell said:

Don't need one. I'm a RW pilot although inactive now.  What I like is authenticity in simulated flight operations, accurate flight modeling, current and real world navigation (not with an an obsolete AIRAC data base like some addons offer)  and the ability to remember actual flights taken in the past.  Sounds like MSFS isn't ready for prime time.

Well without flight review you not current 😉  Up to date Nav would be nice but I you can manage as is. There are still plenty ILS, VOR that hand change fir decades .

Some models  are accurate enough for you to practice !

@mjw8899,

Wow.  It took you all of 30 days and less than 5 dollars for you to dump over the years of work done by hundreds of employees for your enjoyment.  The fact that you were even allowed to do so without actually buying the product is bit astonishing.

I certainly don't hope others don't judge your own accomplishments with the same intolerance and lack of gratitude that you have displayed here.  

Good Day.

Edited September 18, 20205 yr by wthomas33065

4 hours ago, mjw8899 said:

For me the patch hasn’t really changed much. My FPS seem worse though it could be the (fake) fog that I was flying through that didn’t exist out my window. At this point, the graphics don’t really wow much as just wanting functioning avionics, weather, and flight models. I might try again when VR comes out, but I am starting to regret falling for the hype. If you want to show people your house, great; if you want to learn how to operate an aircraft, look elsewhere. 

I get a sense that people generally dont respect your opinions.

Folks just love to complain about anything new. It is kinda sad really. It happens every time there is a new sim, or even a new version.

P3D is out of date. People here aren't LM's primary customer. X Plane is so slow to update and is way behind with its 'clunky' ways. MSFS is the way forward. I wish people could grasp that. I guess they either don't have the hardware, or in some rarer cases they have more personal issues. Either way, complain it doesn't do XYZ and do absolutely nothing to help improve what is a superior sim.

If you don't like my opinion...tough!

Rich.

My frustration is from the fact I am an FAA part 91 ppl with many years of rl flying and yes, I completely agree, with hundreds of dollars of add ons, MSFS will be better than P3dv5 and the other one. I would think at this stage, MSFS would offer more than hope for PMDG or A2A like planes. Here’s to another $150 NGX. 

4 hours ago, kingm56 said:

Right...because you can 'learn how to fly' using all those sophisticated FS9, FSX, P3D and Xplane default aircraft.  Again, as a PPL holder, I find it comical when posters try to convince others that this sim can't be used to hone your aviation skills; IMO, it's a vastly superior VFR/GA tool than ANY prior incarnation.    

I suspect you might get several 'likes' if you post this in another thread; seriously, it's becoming comical to read how terrible this sim is.  It's funny because some posters have completely glossed over the futility of default FSX/P3D/Xplane.  To that point, if you think it's difficult to hone your 'airline skills' in MSFS, you would find it impossible in other simulators. 

The beauty of MSFS comes from the fact that we have ALL our primary requirements in a single application; gone are the days of purchasing third-party application to manage third-party applications.  I no longer need a start-up batch file to launch literally 11 programs before every flight.  Indeed, we need sophisticated airliners; however, those will arrive soon.  Then what will the minority complain about?  

Absolutely! I’m also an active GA pilot who flies weekly. This sim is outstanding for VFR planning and training when flying into new airports. The sim is spot on when integrated with ForeFlight, an App on my iPad that I use regularly in my plane and for the sim. Just finished a video for a short VFR flight into Lukla, Nepal. The realism and accuracy of the scenery, elevation is outstanding. The map display in the G3000 in the TBM is completely accurate to the real world ForeFlight App.

 

Edited September 18, 20205 yr by Doering

2 hours ago, Chock said:

Whilst it's true that other flight sims such as XPlane, FSX and P3D will currently allow you to do more realistic flights in terms of avionics, ATC and weather to some extent, that's pretty much entirely because of add-ons, but even then there are some aspects which the default MSFS can beat. Nevertheless, add-ons for flight sims have always taken time to show up, often several years. Recall that we were waiting almost seven years for the FSL A320 to be developed, five years for most of PMDG's efforts to make it out of the door, and a similar amount of time for many of A2A's GA and military classic aeroplanes to tip up. Sometimes they never show up. I'm looking at you Level D.

Even now, most of P3D's included 'default' aeroplanes are ex-payware stuff originally from FSX, and for 200 quid (or 60 for the Academic version), it doesn't even have a real-world weather function at all, you have to throw approximately another 60 quid at it for a weather add-on to get that capability.

Likewise ATC, which let's not forget, is essentially the same in FSX (after fourteen years) as it was on the day it was released and essentially the same today in V5 (after ten years) as it was in V1 of P3D back in 2010. MSFS ATC is broadly similar, but the built-in flight planner does include SIDs, STARs and Transitions, so right there if you like realism, it's wiping the floor with all the other flight mainstream sim built-in IFR flight planning options which are available, either payware or built-in, and that's a default capability in MSFS.

MSFS is precisely four weeks old today, and it already has a ton of freebie tweaks before it even has a finalised SDK. Yeah there are some stumbling blocks for development, but it was less than two weeks before an add-on Cessna 182 showed up for it and fancier payware aeroplanes are coming too. There are already approximately 20 payware airports for the thing and three major cities with enhanced scenery payware add-ons, and many more freebie ones, because existing 3D scenery models only have to be exported in the correct format to work in MSFS.

Based off that kind of timetable, even with the challenges of the SDK in its present state, chances are stuff will show up a lot quicker than it did for FSX, XPlane and P3D, not least because we're not in a position where developers had to research their stuff from scratch and then try to figure out how to make a realistic 747 work without bombing a 32 Bit application with an eye constantly on VAS limitations.

All this said, and ignoring it all if you like, right out of the box MSFS is scenically light-years ahead of all other flight sims, yet in spite of all that graphic excellence, it runs well on a PC which for nearly every other sim, would see you fiddling with the graphics sliders and accepting compromises to get a decent frame rate. People have got MSFS getting decent frame rates on PCs which are literally years old.

Just go to any airport which wouldn't have a hope in hell of ever getting some scenery made for it in any other sim and look at the included default airport. It might not look spot on, but chances are it won't be terrible. Hell, even where an airport hasn't been modeled at all you've still got a photo-realistic terrain image of the thing, plus a set of included development tools which will allow you to drop built-in airport scenery assets over it and make your own airport in about five minutes with no programming or graphic abilities whatsoever being necessary, merely a modicum of intelligence being all that is required accomplish this.

Yeah the weather interpolation needs a tweak or two, but even at this point it makes all other flight sim weather depictions look dreadful by comparison. It's the first flight sim ever where a thunderstorm actually looks goddam scary enough to make you want to do a 180 and land ASAP.

And all this is after four weeks, so if anyone isn't prepared to cut it a bit of slack, then I'd say they've got a pretty short memory concerning how FSX, XPlane and P3D started out. And don't get me wrong here, those are all great sims, but it's largely because we've all thrown a few thousand quid at them over a period of nearly two decades.

Does it still need work? Yup. Is it perfect? Nope. Is it still pretty good in spite of this, and will it improve even more? Absolutely.

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Great! I hope I will still be alive in seven years.

I also tried to start a IFR world tour with the mod for the A320. But just before BIKF my plane just started falling from the sky out of nowhere. And it was almost impossible for it just to capture a localizer and then it just descended through the glidescope.

Indeed the scenery I like a lot and also the weather and clouds are great, but since it is almost impossible to fly from A to B with a tubeliner, I decided to leave it for now.

It would be great to have at least one plane which works properly!

 

 

 

5 hours ago, mjw8899 said:

For me the patch hasn’t really changed much.

Thought you didn't buy it!

Troll?

I rented it on the Xbox one subscription

1 hour ago, Evros said:

I get a sense that people generally dont respect your opinions.

I think that the right to have an opinion should be respected.

It seems any remotely negative opinion, regardless of how respectfully it is expressed regarding MSFS, is immediately squashed by the baying crowd.

The level of intolerance is quite shocking.

Edited September 18, 20205 yr by DavidP

3 minutes ago, DavidP said:

I think that the right to have an opinion should be respected.

It seems any remotely negative opinion, regardless of how respectfully it is expressed regarding MSFS, is immediately squashed by the baying crowd.

Yep  how   true  it  is

2 minutes ago, DavidP said:

I think that the right to have an opinion should be respected.

It seems any remotely negative opinion, regardless of how respectfully it is expressed regarding MSFS, is immediately squashed by the baying crowd.

The level of intolerance is quite shocking.

I don't believe that's accurate; IMO, I believe most will acknowledge MSFS shortcomings.  It's far from perfect; however, the notion that its an inferior simulator should be challenge.  To that point, the 'opinion' expressed by the OP is antithetical to my real world flying experience,

Shhh.  Negative comments strictly verboten...

5 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

If you want to learn how to operate aircraft search for flight instructor! 🙂 Byeeee!

hahaha

-- Well, finding my house is important. Especially around 3:00am  (So, I'm relying on Asobo) 

Come-on this is serious stuff !