41 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

I can almost guarantee you that the same folks who are now clapping are going to be the same ones complaining the loudest (again) once this MAGICAL HOTFIX drops. 

 

4 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Frankly, I seriously doubt that will happen. Probably a few "low hanging fruit" fixes will be in the next Hot Fix, but I wouldn't expect too much. They don't have much time to look into too many things, frankly. 

Ha ha ha ha ha. It took an hour for my prediction to come true. 

24 minutes ago, Swe_Richard said:

I don't really like the vagueness regarding the CTDs to be honest. 

They cannot but be vague, Richard. The hunt of CTD is not exactly easy.  Why do you have some, why I do not have any ? There is a lot of trials and errors, a lot of technical scenarios to  make. At that stage, the important thing is the commitment to look into it . I hope they will bring you a solution but it may take some time.

Great news. Thanks Asobo and MS.

18 minutes ago, Aristoteles said:

XD, I even managed to get flightplans imported with the GTN750 mod to skip that without making a world out of it. It is such an stupid feature they added that I can´t undertand why.

Yup, to the point where I wonder if it is working as intended? The lines are showing on the flightplans, but not the waypoints themselves, you have to open a saved plan in Littlenavmap to see them on the map. Also, they are not listed anywhere by the PFD or MFD, and not being used at all by the sim (although I have all notifications off, so that could be related). Because of it importing VFR flight plans from Little Nav Map doesn't work properly as it adds all these random waypoints.

Asobo responds inside 1 week and fixes the biggest bugs pretty soon. 
As a software developer myself I just say this: thanks Asobo, I know how much work this means and I know how word not allowed customers are 🙂

10 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Frankly, I seriously doubt that will happen. Probably a few "low hanging fruit" fixes will be in the next Hot Fix, but I wouldn't expect too much. They don't have much time to look into too many things, frankly. 

Perhaps so, or not Bob.  Friday or Monday will tell... Cheers!

Edited August 4, 20214 yr by Sesquashtoo

My observation is that AVSIM has many vocal long-time advocates that come across as having a blind enthusiasm. They are unphased by most issues with the sim as long as it remains even just slightly better than their previous-gen flight sim experience. 

My impression is that the official forums are a much better place to discuss issues. People there have a passion for improving the sim and go to great lengths to help trouble-shoot and diagnose issues. Whereas it’s nearly impossible to even get this group to acknowledge a potential issue might exist. 

19 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

I am starting to see that it is the gaslighters that are the most toxic to this forum.  It is obvious they hate it when the 'complainers' are proven right and get responded to by Asobo, and they still cannot stop arguing around in circles to try to recover some self asteem.  It is they who are the children. 

You have a vivid imagination and seem to be a master of the art of selective reading.😄

25 minutes ago, Aristoteles said:

Quote just a couple of those "superwhinnerhater" posts in AVSIM in the last two days. Then I i will buy your martyr stuff. Otherwise it seems like a generalization,  taken from somewhere else to reinforce your point of view and neglect the fact that many "whinners", in fact, pointed out the obvious needed changes, asked for them loud and made themselves heard somehow. We all might be guilty of hyperventilation and frustration management, but your statement looks like a hyperbole.

Thanks, but nah.   I have other things to do with my time than crawl through the morass of the past week looking for examples to satisfy your desire for "proof" at whatever threshold you require.  My own personal feeling is that someone denying that that's happened a fair bit here is disingenuous or blind -- either willfully, or through their own impassioned perspective -- but I'm sure plenty will differ with that.

And that's fine, I've made my point, some will take it, some won't, and I don't care to put effort into convincing those who refuse to even grant the premise.

I'd rather we all take a breath, put aside the self-congratulations, and maybe everyone has a bit more humility and patience next time -- with issues, and with each other.

(Fat chance.)

Edited August 4, 20214 yr by kaosfere

You know what it scares me now. Next hotfix will come which will increase the quality of the textures even higher level than WU4 and then with it, a performance hit may arise due to this (at our request of course) as long it is in the acceptable level, shouldn't be a problem, there is nothing free in this world. However, what it scares me now is, there will be other camp complaining about performance hit and demand the sim goes back to SU5 HF1, it will be an endless loop and ping pong 🤣

Edited August 4, 20214 yr by omarsmak30

I'm getting kinda annoyed at Avsim by this point, which is saying something, because I rarely, if ever, ever get annoyed at anything - seriously. I'm not calling out anyone specific here.

There is only one group with criticism that is really valid - the ones experiencing constant CTDs*. Texture popping can be ignored, excessive brightness can be fixed temporarily with both AMD and NVIDIA settings, and volumetric clouds... well, how long have we played FSX and XP? That, and as I (probably) and many others (definitely) said, a hotfix would be on the way. It's not like Asobo ever ignored our complaints.

I want to be clear here - I'm not saying don't complain about these issues. How else will they get fixed? But the way in which the complaints were made...

Here's an example - and not just in Avsim, it was the subreddit and the FS2020 forums. The clouds were a valid complaint, but people were crying "Asobo downgraded PC for the Xbox crowd!" when they had no proof if it was intentional or not - and it turned out it wasn't!

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Volumetric Lighting is Missing – This was a shader bug and will be addressed in the upcoming hotfix.

Well, sort of. Volumetric lighting is probably responsible for the clouds issue, where they looked cartoonish. It's probably also why it looked fine at certain times of the day and in different areas. However, it is still possible that they did downgrade the clouds to improve performance. I just want to make this note here so I'm not seen as praising the solution before anyone's seen if it's worked or not.

Also, this line - "Attempted improvements to the cloud appearance introduced an overexposure of the world." Either they were trying to improve the appearance even further, or compensate for a downgrade. We don't know.

 

 

Then there was the texture popping. Same story, people crying foul with no proof if it was intentional or not, and this one seems kinda obvious in hindsight (but it's understandable why none of us thought of this before they told us).

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Low Resolution Ground Texture – This is a bug introduced when we fixed tree draw distance from high latitudes and will be addressed in the upcoming hotfix.

And as an added bonus,

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Detail level will increase to an even higher level than Sim Update 4

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The same fix also improves the night lighting draw distance

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Yes, Asobo needs better Quality Control. They need to have a much larger beta testing pool. I've said this since I knew how few people got into the alpha testing. But while they sort their stuff out, admittedly more than a year after release, be a bit nicer to them. There is no need for some of the stuff we've seen in the discussions, which is exactly what gives avsim a bad name. You should still point out flaws when there are flaws, bugs when there are bugs, etc. But be a bit more respectful.

 

As for this update specifically, really not a surprise. I knew they'd fix it. Hopefully, they take a bit more time to really iron the bugs out. We don't want them to rush it.

They have sliders for that (as long as they work ...)

@kaosfere I really admire your patience. I really do. How do you do it? I gotta work on my anger management issues. 😄

I think it's best to stop cryin' and keep on flyin'.

2 minutes ago, kaosfere said:

And that's fine, I've made my point, some will take it, some won't, and I don't care to put effort into convincing those who refuse to even grant the premise.

...and you hit the nail on the head of how a forum should conduct itself.  You made a point. That is what a forum is there for.  I think people can agree with your point, or disagree, but don't have the right to use language that will dismiss or devalue it. That to me, is just plain bad form, if one engages in that manner.   

6 minutes ago, Virtual-Chris said:

 

My impression is that the official forums are a much better place to discuss issues. People there have a passion for improving the sim and go to great lengths to help trouble-shoot and diagnose issues. Whereas it’s nearly impossible to even get this group to acknowledge a potential issue might exist. 

There is a small but fine difference between acknowledging that there are bugs and giving Asobo time to fix them and creating 200+ cry posts in a forum like little children who had their lollies stolen by the grinch.