Playing around with this has given me an opportunity to check out even more the differences between online traffic behavior and offline AI behavior, and has reinforced my decision to stick with online traffic with this livery addon (note that this is an Asobo logic thing and not an AS livery thing as I presume the same would apply with AIG):

I've noticed that with offline traffic, the AI is often using runways to land and takeoff that aren't consistent with the weather, e.g. using runways with a tailwind, etc.  I use Pilot2atc for my ATC, so I'm pretty much flight-planning based on live weather.  When I'm the only one at the airport using the correct runways, that somewhat breaks the immersion for me.  When I switch to online traffic, the planes are then usually using the correct runways based on wind.

Another thing I notice is that offline traffic is flying at altitudes not realistic at all.  For example, I was experimenting at KCHA with offline traffic and noticed on Pilot2atc there was an airliner enroute from KBNA to KATL near me.  Pilot2atc shows you altitude, airspeed, etc. of other traffic, and showed this airliner at 2400 feet.  An airliner near Chattanooga heading toward Atlanta and only at 2400 feet?  Sure enough, using the drone camera I spot the airliner at 2400 feet.  Strange.  It's similar to how offline traffic will do go-arounds at airports at altitudes not much higher than the towers.  With online traffic, I don't see these issues.  

For the love of everything sacred, I really hope Asobo fixes AI logic. 😄

Edited November 17, 20214 yr by mikeklimek

4 hours ago, mikeklimek said:

Another thing I notice is that offline traffic is flying at altitudes not realistic at all.  For example, I was experimenting at KCHA with offline traffic and noticed on Pilot2atc there was an airliner enroute from KBNA to KATL near me.  Pilot2atc shows you altitude, airspeed, etc. of other traffic, and showed this airliner at 2400 feet.  An airliner near Chattanooga heading toward Atlanta and only at 2400 feet?  Sure enough, using the drone camera I spot the airliner at 2400 feet.  Strange.  It's similar to how offline traffic will do go-arounds at airports at altitudes not much higher than the towers.  With online traffic, I don't see these issues.  

Yeah, offline traffic right now spawns within 2000 feet of you flight level.

Pretty sure that didn't happen before SU6.

4 hours ago, mikeklimek said:

Playing around with this has given me an opportunity to check out even more the differences between online traffic behavior and offline AI behavior, and has reinforced my decision to stick with online traffic with this livery addon

Agreed - and the offline Asobo spawning logic also appears to generate more traffic than it should at the presets; online is significantly easier on performance at large hubs.

15 hours ago, Alaska738 said:

I'm really disappointed. I come back to AIG traffic.

Explain. Is it because of the simplified aircraft models, or some other reason?

I'm on the fence about using either one and might stay that way. I must have static GA aircraft at smaller airports as I do a lot of my flying into those, as well as major airports. While I would like to see real life liveries on aircraft, I'm not giving up my GA aircraft. It would be too much. I would stick with the current default method instead, including its flaws, as I have AI aircraft everywhere.

Thanks!

1 minute ago, BaronKen said:

Explain. Is it because of the simplified aircraft models, or some other reason?

I'm on the fence about using either one and might stay that way. I must have static GA aircraft at smaller airports as I do a lot of my flying into those, as well as major airports. While I would like to see real life liveries on aircraft, I'm not giving up my GA aircraft. It would be too much. I would stick with the current default method instead, including its flaws, as I have AI aircraft everywhere.

Thanks!

AIG doesn't have GA traffic, Simple Traffic does. Simple Traffic just repaints default aircraft, to airline liveries. One click and it works. 

2 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

AIG doesn't have GA traffic, Simple Traffic does. Simple Traffic just repaints default aircraft, to airline liveries. One click and it works. 

What setting to you use within MSFS for AI Traffic Bob? Also slider setting for amounts etc?

8 minutes ago, BaronKen said:

Explain. Is it because of the simplified aircraft models, or some other reason?

I'm on the fence about using either one and might stay that way. I must have static GA aircraft at smaller airports as I do a lot of my flying into those, as well as major airports. While I would like to see real life liveries on aircraft, I'm not giving up my GA aircraft. It would be too much. I would stick with the current default method instead, including its flaws, as I have AI aircraft everywhere.

Thanks!

I just did what someone else suggested in another thread and edited the default traffic file (I backed it up first) to remove the airliners and only have GA. So I have AIG injected, plus offline traffic turned on in the sim with the slider around 30%.

8 minutes ago, BaronKen said:

Explain. Is it because of the simplified aircraft models, or some other reason?

I'm on the fence about using either one and might stay that way. I must have static GA aircraft at smaller airports as I do a lot of my flying into those, as well as major airports. While I would like to see real life liveries on aircraft, I'm not giving up my GA aircraft. It would be too much. I would stick with the current default method instead, including its flaws, as I have AI aircraft everywhere.

Thanks!

The reason is that there are only A330. Where are the A320? nothing. Aerosoft could have added AI models, it's not hard to do. What surprised me was to see all these planes flying low over airports.

4 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

What setting to you use within MSFS for AI Traffic Bob? Also slider setting for amounts etc?

All recommended settings  are in the manual...

3 minutes ago, Alaska738 said:

The reason is that there are only A330. Where are the A320? nothing. Aerosoft could have added AI models, it's not hard to do. What surprised me was to see all these planes flying low over airports.

The low flying planes around airports are because of Asobo AI, it happens with default AI and AIG too. 

 

Edited November 17, 20214 yr by Bobsk8

22 minutes ago, Alaska738 said:

The reason is that there are only A330. Where are the A320? nothing. Aerosoft could have added AI models, it's not hard to do. What surprised me was to see all these planes flying low over airports.

The low flying AI only happens if you use offline traffic. If you use real time traffic you don't see that.

4 minutes ago, Alvega said:

The low flying AI only happens if you use offline traffic. If you use real time traffic you don't see that.

had that with online as well

9 minutes ago, Alvega said:

The low flying AI only happens if you use offline traffic. If you use real time traffic you don't see that.

Online traffic most of the time, I see empty skies. 

The Asobo AI models that will be used are just ugly stuff but i like Aerosoft ST.

Why is it not possible to use more and other lowpoly planemodels ( for AI ) , is this a restriction within the MSFS Sim ? 

 

cheers 😉

Edited November 17, 20214 yr by pmplayer

Let's be honest here: the AI in MSFS 2020 is word not allowed and worthless. Aerosoft can't fix that so you are left with a bunch of liveries that eat frame rates. 

AI is a general problem in triple A gaming titles. You can count the number of games with good AI with one hand and you'll still have digits over.