3 hours ago, jarmstro said:

Yes but what's so difficult about VNAV? With every developer it's the last thing they manage to do and get right. FBW is an example. JustFlight also avoid any plane with it like the plague. I seem to be able to descend manually without a problem. It's simple maths? 

This comment is really telling.

3 hours ago, mspencer said:

Here's the point, fly this one with your VS knob and the Asobo LNAV they're still using and let me know how you make out.

I promise it will not be a nice experience. These arrivals are all over the US now. 

 I do that all the time from Albuquerque it works fine. That chart is not gospel. Most the time PHX approach/ABQ center gives the jets a continuous decent that's about 1200 FPM from TOD to Final Approach fix.  Most the time Phoenix is visual. This is why MSFS is still so lacking, realistic ATC and Traffic is such a key piece missing from MSFS.

I mean I get it.  If the real airplane has it then the fake airplane should also have it if you are spending money.  But to me the FSS 175 is getting much much better as promised. I fly it all the time, doesn't ruin my enjoyment that it doesn't have  VNAV or HOLDS.  Unless you are on VATSIM it really doesn't matter.  Ver 0.9.15 was a big leap with the navigraph and simbrief integration. 0.9.16 promises to be a big release.

Edited July 28, 20232 yr by aniiran

1 hour ago, aniiran said:

I do that all the time from Albuquerque it works fine.

I just have to quote Bugs Bunny® when I see this line..."I knew I shoulda' made a left turn at "alba-koikey"

 

Edited July 29, 20232 yr by Steve Dra

1 hour ago, Steve Dra said:

I just have to quote Bugs Bunny® when I see this line..."I knew I shoulda' made a left turn at "alba-koikey"

Haha!!!! Good one!

To be honest: Who cares about VNAV when that thing *still* isn't able to do a proper LNAV or - after 6 months (!) - to track the ILS successfully.

13 hours ago, Maxis said:

Its very simple I value how my money is spent. I don't buy on a promise. I buy based on what's in front of me and if it is good value at that very moment i will do so. I also think that if a dev is asking for money without at least a 95% finished product there is something wrong with the financing side of their business case. Those are black and white lines for me. Everyone else can do as they please as they are free to do but you will never see me buy an early access product.

Just the way im wired i make no apologies.

I agree with you.I stopped buying pay to beta after the ultimate traffic live debacle back in 2017.

  But so long as other people in the community buy and support bad developers and pay to beta we will continue get bad unfinished products. 

 

15 hours ago, jarmstro said:

Yes but what's so difficult about VNAV? It's simple maths? 

If there were no winds (i.e. GS variations), no waypoint constraints, no air pressure variations, no temperature variations, etc, etc, it indeed would be simple maths...
Unfortunately the real world is a bit more complicated.

3 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

To be honest: Who cares about VNAV when that thing *still* isn't able to do a proper LNAV or - after 6 months (!) - to track the ILS successfully.

The aerosoft CRJ couldn't do it either after 7 years. 

Well I took the plunge at just over £20 in contrail. I’m having fun with it, hand flys really nice and  performance wise it’s perfect on my system. The updates seem frequent so at just over £20 i feel it was the perfect time to jump in.

Edited July 29, 20232 yr by garlicbread11

3 hours ago, Egbert Drenth said:

If there were no winds (i.e. GS variations), no waypoint constraints, no air pressure variations, no temperature variations, etc, etc, it indeed would be simple maths...
Unfortunately the real world is a bit more complicated.

But even with all those variables isn't it  still simple mathematics? If I can get  a simulator plane down manually and meet any constraints why do developers find it so hard?

Edited July 29, 20232 yr by jarmstro

4 hours ago, garlicbread11 said:

Well I took the plunge at just over £20 in contrail. I’m having fun with it, hand flys really nice and  performance wise it’s perfect on my system. The updates seem frequent so at just over £20 i feel it was the perfect time to jump in.

Performance? FPS stable or dips?

20 minutes ago, blueshark747 said:

Performance? FPS stable or dips?

Very stable and smooth to be honest.

There is nothing wrong with it now as long as you are happy with a default style plane and can manage without VNAV. For twenty quid it's worth it. Pity the poor souls, like me, who paid a lot more originally! Oh well. Live and learn as they say. EDIT I've a nasty feeling that they are going to pull the plug on it or it wouldn't be on sale! 

Edited July 29, 20232 yr by jarmstro

11 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

There is nothing wrong with it now as long as you are happy with a default style plane and can manage without VNAV. For twenty quid it's worth it. Pity the poor souls, like me, who paid a lot more originally! Oh well. Live and learn as they say. EDIT I've a nasty feeling that they are going to pull the plug on it or it wouldn't be on sale! 

Well yes, they already reorganized their Discord to "prepare for new releases," delivered the E170, and now I think they're starting to figure out this whole complex airliner thing is really just a bit too difficult.

Which is what many of us were here saying when they first launched this project after having completed... the SeaRey. The devs are regularly all over their discord indicating on a daily basis that they really don't have a clue how this plane works.

I don't understand why you try to continue laundering their product for them. They promised EA with a full airplane to come. If you consider the current state to be a full, complete airplane, than you're beyond help.

26 minutes ago, mspencer said:

I don't understand why you try to continue laundering their product for them.

Me? I just paid up. I've no axe to grind either way. What I think now is that they don't possess the skills necessary to turn it into a study level plane. It's not the first time up I've wasted money on an addon. But as I've said above, at least give me a rudimentary TOD and VNAV and that will do.

Edited July 29, 20232 yr by jarmstro