New MSFS 2024 Trailer - Release date: 11/19/2024

[espent]

2 minutes ago, rjquick said:

No. I think they are spending money on what the majority of users want. Which is a good thing overall. My concerns may or may not turn out to be valid. I hope not. Flight Simulator will be fine either way. It just may evolve into something I'm not as interested in, which doesn't matter in the overall scheme of things.

Evolve into something? You make it sound like video games stay around long enough to be studied by Darwin’s theory 🙂

Something will eventually replace this and then it all starts over again and we will have new things to buy and discuss  

 

[lwt1971]

3 hours ago, rjquick said:

What I believe has happened is that people that like traditional gaming saw the promotions for FS2020 and tried it out. They liked the graphical part of it, but found they were not really interested in the aviation part of it and have no interest in any real learning about operating an aircraft. It was boring as many things that someone is not interested in tend to do. Like piano lessons when you like to listen to music, but have no interest in playing it. They would, however, like to have the Flight Simulator 'world' to be used in a more gaming fashion. Now, we are in some sort of fusion mode.

My post was stating that the gaming ('arcade'. Yes. That very evil word lol) force of users have won and that is now the future direction of the franchise. I still think that is the case. I can certainly be wrong. I can certainly be right and most everyone will be happy about it. So be it.

Rather than wallowing in these odd fatalistic assumptions, try to look at what's actually happened with MSFS 2020 since its release, then try to think about how that goes against all what you're fearing will allegedly happen. It seems no matter how many times we point you to evidence to the contrary, and what MS/Asobo have said that also contradicts your fears, you still want to keep thinking this way. Well more power to you then, hope you get enjoyment out of MSFS until its fidelity is supposedly taken away 🙄

And no it's not your use of the "arcade" word that generated the responses you got, it's the silly claim that MS/Asobo are *only* focusing on that (let alone the fact that simulation of real-world aviation activities is far from "arcade games"), and the non-sensical notion of one side "winning" out.
 

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I think they are spending money on what the majority of users want

Indeed they are! MS's deep pockets along with MSFS 2020's success is certainly enabling the team to expand itself and focus on what the majority of users want.. in fact, a wide variety of users.. by focusing on and improving core sim fidelity, *and* increasing digital twin earth fidelity and visuals, *and* adding simulation of new aviation activities. That's a win win win, and no losers 🙂 

Hold on hold on, in fact, that's also what the MSFS community manager said recently coincidentally enough: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/msfs2024-november-19th-2024/644877/278

"In the panel at FSExpo last year, Jorg and Seb said that there were three main focus areas for improvement in MSFS2024. Just because they introduced them as Focus Areas 1-3 in their PowerPoint deck doesn’t imply that one is of greater importance than the other two. All three are equally important.

The three focus areas are adding the new Aviation Activity System, improving the Core Sim & Technology (including the physics and aerodynamics engine, aircraft systems, avionics, and more), and improving the Digital Twin (Static World, Dynamic World, and Living World)."

But hey, those are just words straight from the horse's mouth, why go by that when we can assume and presume their true intentions on these forums right?
 

Edited June 12 by lwt1971

[Jeff Nielsen]

If I remember correctly, I think it was Seb in one of the Q&As who said to be able to make the advances, we (the hard-core simmer) wanted, they had to make a new version and make it multicore.  

All those physics that needed to be added/advanced necessitated a new version.  In other words, they're going to down the rabbit hole and they have the money to do it; and do it on ALL fronts.

Also, it's really important for people here in THIS forum to realize you aren't going to get nitty gritty details in a marketing video (even for PC users).  It's just not possible to wordsmith that.  I'd love to see one of you guys try...LOL

Edited June 12 by Jeff Nielsen

[rjquick]

21 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

Rather than wallowing in these odd fatalistic assumptions, try to look at what's actually happened with MSFS 2020 since its release, then try to think about how that goes against all what you're fearing will allegedly happen. It seems no matter how many times we point you to evidence to the contrary, and what MS/Asobo have said that also contradicts your fears, you still want to keep thinking this way. Well more power to you then, hope you get enjoyment out of MSFS until its fidelity is supposedly taken away 🙄

And no it's not your use of the "arcade" word that generated the responses you got, it's the silly claim that MS/Asobo are *only* focusing on that (let alone the fact that simulation of real-world aviation activities is far from "arcade games"), and the non-sensical notion of one side "winning" out.
 

Indeed they are! MS's deep pockets along with MSFS 2020's success is certainly enabling the team to expand itself and focus on what the majority of users want.. in fact, a wide variety of users.. by focusing on and improving core sim fidelity, *and* increasing digital twin earth fidelity and visuals, *and* adding simulation of new aviation activities. That's a win win win, and no losers 🙂 

Hold on hold on, in fact, that's also what the MSFS community manager said recently coincidentally enough: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/msfs2024-november-19th-2024/644877/278

"In the panel at FSExpo last year, Jorg and Seb said that there were three main focus areas for improvement in MSFS2024. Just because they introduced them as Focus Areas 1-3 in their PowerPoint deck doesn’t imply that one is of greater importance than the other two. All three are equally important.

The three focus areas are adding the new Aviation Activity System, improving the Core Sim & Technology (including the physics and aerodynamics engine, aircraft systems, avionics, and more), and improving the Digital Twin (Static World, Dynamic World, and Living World)."

But hey, those are just words straight from the horse's mouth, why go by that when we can assume and presume their true intentions on these forums right?
 

I've pointed out several times that there are encouraging statements made and I am hopeful for the best. I am just stating my concerns over these 'aviation activity systems'. I think I'm still allowed to have concerns. At least I hope so. They may turn out to be unfounded. I hope so. No one else has to have the same concerns or believe they are valid. I also realize that my 'concern' could be something that others wish for. So be it. Things will turn out how they turn out regardless.

The loud shouting at me and telling me how stupid I am doesn't influence what I think btw. You're welcome to your opinion though.

[Amon1973]

3 hours ago, Jeff Nielsen said:

If I remember correctly, I think it was Seb in one of the Q&As who said to be able to make the advances, we (the hard-core simmer) wanted, they had to make a new version and make it multicore.  

I think MSFS 2024 will definitely move the SIM on, however the argument that MSFS isn't already multicore was denied by Seb. Could it be better? Of course it can, I think what is intended is optimising the cores better than it already is in MSFS 2020.

[fsiscool]

10 hours ago, rjquick said:

If the old, boomer, 'Serious Simmers' are down to a dwindling few, then what is the point of catering to them?

I don't know. I just know that they do cater to them. To create a picture in your mind, I would say, that MSFS2024 expands the flight envelope in all directions.

6 hours ago, rjquick said:

I've pointed out several times that there are encouraging statements made and I am hopeful for the best.

If your first post was hopeful how would you express a more condemning opinion?

 

Edited June 12 by fsiscool

[lwt1971]

The inevitable trailer analyses and breakdowns 🙂 

A330 Driver: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMZxwQ1-etM
Jeff Favigano: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IJswhslOdk
Blu Games: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj487pKZjgY
Swiss001: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BugRhgoY0H8
 

Edited June 12 by lwt1971

[Krakin]

7 hours ago, rjquick said:

I think I'm still allowed to have concerns.

And we're allowed to think your concerns sound silly, based on the information we currently have.

Now Jorg is definitely a happy-go-lucky guy and I love that about him. He's also able to get p*ssed off when simmers start talking nonsense about MSFS and I also love that about him lol. I remember his reaction at the last FSExpo to people speculating that 2024 would not have airliners because none were shown in the trailer lol.

I'm deciding not to get frustrated with the naysayers and their unfounded concern trolling because it will likely lead to MS having to make clarifications that will lead to more information coming out sooner. So do what you do, guys. The proof will be in the pudding as they say.

[lwt1971]

17 minutes ago, Krakin said:

I'm deciding not to get frustrated with the naysayers and their unfounded concern trolling because it will likely lead to MS having to make clarifications that will lead to more information coming out sooner. So do what you do, guys. The proof will be in the pudding as they say.

Hehe was thinking the same thing 🙂 .. MS/Asobo certainly don't do themselves any favors by this staggered releases of bits of information (and the Xbox showcase event being before FSExpo doesn't help). But I also get that Asobo is controlled by MS in terms of what info they can release and when (otoh they certainly got the sim community talking along with the gaming and general tech press, as per usual). But ya, anything that lights a fire under MS/Asobo to share more with us, all for it. I wonder if a certain Andrey Petrovich who joined avsim recently can also be encouraged to reveal tidbits 🙂
 

Edited June 12 by lwt1971

[Kassu62]

14 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

The new Bing data doesn't have green roads, why don't they use it?

Here in north Bing pictures are typically from spring -> everything is gray. Asobo makes color correction to more green -> grey roads becomes green. In MSFS2024 is new season engine. Maybe they do not need to modify bitmap colors anymore?

[ricka47]

On 6/10/2024 at 10:34 PM, jkeye said:

I wonder if ATC will be usable...

It might be usable but I can't see them matching some of the new options out there like SayIntentions or BATC. But, with the number of people working on 2024, who knows!

[Krakin]

Can someone take a shot of this location from 2020 so we can compare the LOD distances?

[peloto]

Wou, even autogyros. Have someone a time-machine to rent me a few seconds?

Where is that F-18´s bridge?

Edited June 12 by peloto

[kerosene31]

My gosh... people need to take a breath and relax.  People forget MSFS was all but dead after FSX.  Remember Flight?  There was never a guarantee that there was ever going to be another MSFS, let alone one that would be this big. 

MSFS expanding to a larger audience is a win for everyone.  More casuals doesn't mean that MSFS is "arcade".  Just because some kid on a console can buzz around in an F18, it doesn't mean you can't land a realistic 3rd party aircraft with realistic systems. 

More interest in the sim means more 3rd parties coming in to give us more of what we want.  It isn't "casuals vs hardcore" but everyone winning. 

[Sethos]

57 minutes ago, peloto said:

Where is that F-18´s bridge?

Looks like Glenfinnan Viaduct?