57 minutes ago, flying_carpet said:

On a more serious note - I'm curious if there will be simulation of: wet/icy runways (i.e. different braking distance), icing not on the cake but on the wings, severe turbulences within thunderstorms, wake turbulences behind other planes, microbursts, damaged flaps at overspeed, hypoxia, freezing windows, blackout/redout at high g-loads, breakaway if e.g. the left brake fails, ... to name a few.

 

Fortunately, MSFS 2024 will have excellent default GA avionics.  I mean, MSFS 2020 default GA avionics is already light years ahead of what you can normally get for default GA avionics these days.  I'm so glad that the default GA avionics in MSFS are not "arcady" anymore.  Like, who would want to use "arcady" default avionics, right?

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17 minutes ago, ca_metal said:

As always if you are really interested to know the details and new features, just wait for the interviews and/or developer updates.

Thats fair enough, I do enjoy those updates but always with a grain of salt, I doubt you'll ever hear them play down their product though. Whatever they say will definitely happen, because they said it. Developers have never ever embellished what they are about to achieve. Never ever.

47 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

What I have been seeing is those 'old timers' pleading to be allowed to keep their $100 kitchen knife or at least to be able to still buy one instead of having to cope with a $20 Walmart set of 20 blunt knives.

2024 isn't taking anything away, it's adding onto it.

Bring on the fully modelled 3D world. I would like nothing more than to see the end of parallax textures and basic terminal interiors. Oh, and using default assets for aviation museums.

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There are people that like magic and people that like to know how that 'magic' works. Many just want to have the plane running and ready to go on the runway (like magic) and off they go. There are also people that are fascinated in how the aircraft works. What all that stuff in the cockpit does and learning how to actually operate it (as much as a simulation can show). There is nothing wrong with either, but they are different mindsets about what a 'flight simulator' should be. In the professional world, a 'flight simulator' is for training people to correctly learn and operate the aircraft.

A lot of what I read about people wanting from the sim has nothing to do with learning aircraft. It is about being a passenger. Watch people board the plane, look out the windows at giraffes running around. Sightseeing here and there. Doing something 'exciting'. Which means that actually learning to operate an aircraft is boring to them. That's all fine and understandable, but it is a different thing from a 'flight simulator'. It is like there should be two different products.

1 minute ago, rjquick said:

That's all fine and understandable, but it is a different thing from a 'flight simulator'. It is like there should be two different products.

My counterpoint is that you simplified people way too much (we do it all the time in politics, religion, etc.). People aren't monoliths. I fall somewhere in the middle of what you explained. If you put me in a sim w/ very little attention paid to the outside world but the plane I was in was modeled perfectly, yeah, I'd get bored. But if you gave me all the stuff outside the window and made a cockpit with no working features, just a "go" button and a steering wheel/yoke, I'd still be bored. 

No one would ever mistake me for a real pilot, but I've enjoyed learning the basics of flight, aircraft systems and avionics, flight planning, navigating, etc, while also emersing myself in the fantasy of flying and exploring the outside world. I'm not one or the other, I'm both to some degree, as I suspect most people are (we just fall on different parts of the spectrum).

50 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

I've been backing off but this is too much sorry. Could you quote ONE of these dinosaurs? What I have been seeing is those 'old timers' pleading to be allowed to keep their $100 kitchen knife or at least to be able to still buy one instead of having to cope with a $20 Walmart set of 20 blunt knives.

Not ONE 'dinosaur' have I seen ask to deny other people their pleasures. Let's have 20x $100 quality knives in the collection. Or 1x$100 knife and 20 Walmart set IF that's what people want. Just please let me and some others hold on to our VERY sharp favourite knife (that actually does everything we need it to).

With imagination you can do anything. I am currently creating a video series of me flying a 737/F28 around the Himalayas to all the places I'd never be allowed to in real life. Manual mostly as none of them have even one approach chart. It's crazy fun for me, BECAUSE the planes themselves (the PMDG or F28) are so realistic and the scenery so terrifyingly accurate and the weather (thanks ASFS!) scary enough to make me cuss on mic with shock.

Simming is for EVERYONE.

Maybe you could englighten us all why you seem to think that you're being denied something? All these things aren't taking away from your ability to do exactly what you want, in the most beautiful, feature-complete sim on the market today that is just getting more and more stuff added to it. My argument is exactly simming is for everyone, which you seemed to misunderstand. The dinosaurs that get upset when all these things are added and take great offense to it being on Xbox, are exactly the people who don't want simming to be for everyone. It has to be a platform only catering for their very specific requirements and ideals of what a sim should be. And you just have to spend a week on Avsim to see them, who will complain about it being a 'game', oh something is 'arcade' and oh no it's on 'Xbox' for the dumb console players. 

14 minutes ago, rjquick said:

A lot of what I read about people wanting from the sim has nothing to do with learning aircraft. It is about being a passenger. Watch people board the plane, look out the windows at giraffes running around. Sightseeing here and there. Doing something 'exciting'. Which means that actually learning to operate an aircraft is boring to them. That's all fine and understandable, but it is a different thing from a 'flight simulator'. It is like there should be two different products.

Serious question: Firstly so what if some users want to experience/simulate other aspects of aviation in a flight simulator? If nothing about core flight simulation is being taken away or reduced, and if the newer sim is only adding features while *also* improving existing core functionality, what really is the problem? Why do Serious Simmers ™️ have to feel any lesser of themselves or any other angst/worry if the simulator they are using does more than typical/legacy sims, or attracts more than the typical/legacy users?
 

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17 minutes ago, rjquick said:

That's all fine and understandable, but it is a different thing from a 'flight simulator'. It is like there should be two different products.

They simulate flight to do those things. It's a flight simulator, it's meant for everyone.

  

16 minutes ago, rjquick said:

It is about being a passenger. Watch people board the plane,

I haven't seen anyone say that.

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4 minutes ago, Sethos said:

Maybe you could englighten us all why you seem to think that you're being denied something?

I'm certainly not one of them. I was reacting to a post hoping that 'dinosaur simmers should be wiped from the planet in a fiery and violent extinction event' for 'holding on to their blunt butter knives'.

 

17 minutes ago, rjquick said:

It is like there should be two different products.

You do realized MS is putting the two philosophies into one sim, right? People do look out the window when pursuing their PPL.

6 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

I haven't seen anyone say that.

There's a lot of stuff being argued for and against in this thread that hasn't been said by others. People just talking past each other and adding legs to innocuous comments. People just love to be offended.

"It is getting arcadey" is the new "there will be a subscription!".

I'm pretty.sure that the new sim will negate the need for utility addons which xboxers can't deal with anyway.  That's just fine by me.

Also excited for the career mode which if done well may gain the support of a large group of simmers.

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42 minutes ago, El Diablito said:

Thats fair enough, I do enjoy those updates but always with a grain of salt, I doubt you'll ever hear them play down their product though. Whatever they say will definitely happen, because they said it. Developers have never ever embellished what they are about to achieve. Never ever.

That's for sure. Everyone should see what they say with a grain of salt indeed. But I think they are delivering their promisses. We want everything ASAP, but it's not aways possible. 

About the clouds, when people say they improved, most people is talking about colors and diversity, it's not really about visuals. The visuals (at least IMO) were always great. What we really need for the weather engine is diversity and a better integration between METAR and Meteoblue's forecast.