39 minutes ago, Greazer said:

How does any Pmdg cockpit come close to this?

Maybe in being more than a screenshot? You're comparing a non-existing product to an existing product, and all based on a screenshot.

Also how do we know the Bluebird devs are perfectionists? You have literally nothing to judge their qualities on. They have not yet released a single aircraft. They could by all means just be slow. For me they've lost all their credibility when they announced a 787 on the FSExpo, the aircraft after the aircraft after aircraft. No serious professional would do something like that, especially when their past release history is just blank.

2 hours ago, VHOJT said:

Just to be clear - the P3D sounds do not sound like the new ones - so if they were ported, it was not a "straight copy".  P3D 777 sounds are better as far as I can tell (only own the P3D version).

So you don't own the MSFS version of the 777, but you know the P3D version sounds better.  Rest my case. 

3 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

So you don't own the MSFS version of the 777, but you know the P3D version sounds better.  Rest my case. 

I said "as far as I can tell". I have heard it in many videos and think the P3D version sounds better. No need for a case mate. Just read the words without adding your spin to it.

Edited June 30, 20241 yr by VHOJT

55 minutes ago, VHOJT said:

I said "as far as I can tell". I have heard it in many videos and think the P3D version sounds better. No need for a case mate. Just read the words without adding your spin to it.

You can't judge that from compressed audio Youtube videos. 

4 hours ago, VHOJT said:

Just to be clear - the P3D sounds do not sound like the new ones - so if they were ported, it was not a "straight copy".  P3D 777 sounds are better as far as I can tell (only own the P3D version).

Exactly. 

Watched CptCanada arrive into Dubai he had stutters and couldn’t explain why. Did a 7 hour flight yesterday and FPS degraded a couple of hours before that with stutters. Love to know what is happening.

37 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

You can't judge that from compressed audio Youtube videos. 

I think you can to an extent.

Or are you going to tell me you can't tell different voices apart on YouTube now?

Edited June 30, 20241 yr by VHOJT

40 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

You can't judge that from compressed audio Youtube videos. 

Buddy, take a lap. I own both versions. He's right. The P3D sounds are better and something is not right with the MSFS version sounds.

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

So you don't own the MSFS version of the 777, but you know the P3D version sounds better.  Rest my case. 

I have both the FSX version of the 777 and the MSFS one, I can attest that the former sounds are FAR better than latter ones. It used to be a goosebump inducing experience to set take-off thrust in the 777, unfortunately not anymore. 

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

You can't judge that from compressed audio Youtube videos. 

Trying to defend at all costs. But it's pointless. P3D sounds are better.

13 hours ago, Greazer said:

Pmdg are a mid-tier legacy porting dev with poor support and atrocious store.  They are not even in the same ball park as Fenix or Bluebird. Or even FlyByWire for that matter. 

I somewhat agree that PMDG has pretty much just ported over their same 3 planes for different platforms for years now and haven’t innovated since their 737 ngx, but I wouldn’t call them mid-tier. Their planes are still very good. And Bluebird? Dude, they haven’t even released anything yet!

2 minutes ago, Bdub22 said:

I somewhat agree that PMDG has pretty much just ported over their same 3 planes for different platforms for years now and haven’t innovated since their 737 ngx, but I wouldn’t call them mid-tier. Their planes are still very good. And Bluebird? Dude, they haven’t even released anything yet!

In some ways "ported" seems wrong, always implies no changes to me other than compatability. Both models & textures are clearly new & far, far superior in MSFS (talking about the 737 as I have both on my machine - waiting for the F on the 777). In terms of coding though I am not sure how much is shared with previous versions. 

As for Bluebird, until they actually release something it's impossible to judge their quality level. So as a comparison to something you can actually buy & fly it's completely pointless. 

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13 minutes ago, Bdub22 said:

I somewhat agree that PMDG has pretty much just ported over their same 3 planes for different platforms for years now and haven’t innovated since their 737 ngx, but I wouldn’t call them mid-tier. Their planes are still very good. And Bluebird? Dude, they haven’t even released anything yet!

In some ways "ported" seems wrong, always implies no changes to me other than compatability. Both models & textures are clearly new & far, far superior in MSFS (talking about the 737 as I have both on my machine - waiting for the F on the 777). In terms of coding though I am not sure how much is shared with previous versions. 

As for Bluebird, until they actually release something it's impossible to judge their quality level. So as a comparison to something you can actually buy & fly it's completely pointless. 

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Some are saying the P3D version sounds are better then the MSFS version, but are they actually more true to life? 

Sounds from the flightdeck, only a real world T7 pilot could really answer that question,  the rest of us are just speculating. 

 

 

4 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

So you don't own the MSFS version of the 777, but you know the P3D version sounds better.  Rest my case. 

I own all versions of PMDG 777, from FSX to P3D and MSFS 2020 and I can vouch for what he said. The sound is worse than the P3D version.

Also I know the 777's flight deck is old, but that's not the point. I'm specifically talking about the quality of the textures and modeling. It just doesn't feel nextgen like the Fenix A320 does. Even the PMDG 737's cockpit looks better compared to their 777.

Edited June 30, 20241 yr by captain420