4 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Allright, so I decided to take the leap and joined the Windows Insider program. I've done a before/after performance comparison using CapFrameX. 

Hardware: see signature. Mild CPU overclock using PBO and negative curve on both chiplets. DDR5 overclocked from EXPO 6000Mhz to 6200Mhz with optimized timings. 

System:

• Nvidia driver 560.70
• 3840x2160 @ 120Hz
• Resizable BAR on
• Game mode on

MSFS:

• 4K DX12 FG
• DLSS+DLAA
• Render scale 130
• TLOD 300 OLOD 200
• Ultra settings w/ shadows 6K

Test settings:

• Fenix A320
• Aerosoft ENGM Oslo
• Clear skies noon
• No AI traffic
• Holding pattern at 3000ft, inbound course 315, 2nm legs
• Capture time 5 min

Win11 23H2:

 

Win11 24H2:

 

Conclusion: 

On my rig, a 3.8% increase in FPS. In terms of frame time consistency, the difference is almost negligible. 

Some useful info re: 24H2:

How to update: https://www.easeus.com/backup-recovery/how-to-upgrade-to-windows-11-24h2.html

TechPowerUp article 11 hrs ago: https://www.techpowerup.com/325967/amd-ryzen-9000-series-zen-5-tested-on-windows-11-24h2-update-shows-significant-performance-gains

 

Appreciate you taking the time to do this. The results are a little disappointing, if not somewhat expected.

Thanks! 

5 minutes ago, KL Oo said:

Appreciate you taking the time to do this. The results are a little disappointing, if not somewhat expected.

Thanks! 

I know. It was a bit of a disappontment, to be honest. But it's but one test - please Avsimmers - go ahead and do more experiments! It took quite a while to update to 24H2 (for some reason) - but the process is quite simple. We need more data for different AMD systems. Apparently, not just Ryzen 7 and 9 are affected (more sources required). 

Edited August 28, 20241 yr by Cpt_Piett

3 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I know. It was a bit of a disappontment, to be honest. But it's but one test - please Avsimmers - go ahead and do more experiments! It took quite a while to update to 24H2 (for some reason) - but the process is quite simple. We need more data for different AMD systems. Apparently, not just Ryzen 7 and 9 are affected (more sources required). 

AMD's Ryzen performance improvements are now available on Windows 11 23H2 too

11 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Allright, so I decided to take the leap and joined the Windows Insider program. I've done a before/after performance comparison using CapFrameX. 

Hardware: see signature. Mild CPU overclock using PBO and negative curve on both chiplets. DDR5 overclocked from EXPO 6000Mhz to 6200Mhz with optimized timings. 

System:

• Nvidia driver 560.70
• 3840x2160 @ 120Hz
• Resizable BAR on
• Game mode on

MSFS:

• 4K DX12 FG
• DLSS+DLAA
• Render scale 130
• TLOD 300 OLOD 200

I know you went to the trouble to test.. but the perf impact is to the CPU side, could you do the test at 1080p and see what the difference is?

Ah nice that you can install the update now. I will test tonight. Maybe perf increase is bigger with lower end cpu? A 7950x3d is already one of the best. 

After installing KB5041587 when I launch msfs, it now says it will not run on this version of windows.  I uninstalled KB5041587 and msfs will still not run on this version of windows.  My PC also installed the 23H2 which I had already installed.

Seemingly, when windows does a major update, it also deletes all your restore points too, so as things stand, I'm stuffed. No MSFS

Just installed KB5041587 here and it all works fine. I'm on Steam. 

I noticed it (measured) and i did get an additional 7-8fps in the same situation. Since i already have 90+fps usually, i don't notice it normally. People running higher resolutions will obviously have less increase in performance, much like using a x3D CPU at 4K: Minor returns.

4 hours ago, cianpars said:

Seemingly, when windows does a major update, it also deletes all your restore points too, so as things stand, I'm stuffed. No MSFS

I guess you restarted your PC after updating or uninstalling KBs? 

2 hours ago, AnkH said:

I guess you restarted your PC after updating or uninstalling KBs? 

I certainly did.

24H2 eventually installed though and msfs is working ok though I am getting some sound crackling.  Not sure if it may be related to the map enhancer app so just checking without it - if I don't use the map enhancer, it seems like the crackles no longer occur. Not sure why.

No performance difference noted so far though.

Edit: Seems OK without the map enhancer.  Also, CPU utilisation seems to be somewhat higher than I was experiencing before.

Already getting "your bandwidth is to low" warnings and azure voices unavailable though.  It seems that the server issues go on and on and on.

Edited August 28, 20241 yr by cianpars

On 8/26/2024 at 5:38 PM, Bobsk8 said:

Apples and Oranges, What does MSFS updates have to do with an OS???

It's about updating or not, having a choice or not. I remember a long time ago you were very outspoken about staying with a certain version of P3D.

On 8/26/2024 at 8:18 AM, Rimshot said:

Fear of change probably😁 Personally I never noticed a difference compared to my time with W10.

There are a couple of pluses for me in Win 11 but the GUI sucks beyond recognition compared to Win 10.

I haven't tried this preview version (I only very rarely go for preview/beta versions of anything these days) but I've been using Win 11 pro on the sim PC for ever. Never had any specific Win problems, plus I'm told that W11 is much better the W10 at handling HDR.

I've alternated over the decades between being that guy that always wanted the beta versions, back from the DOS days, through early Win, Win NT and even OS/2 (and let's not even mention Linux - oops, too late), through to becoming the "hold out" guy who didn't want to give up Win XP, then Win 7, but since I reluctantly went to WIn 10 from Win 7 (did anybody ever use Win 8?) I've settled in to become the "I don't really care about that stuff" guy. My nerd chromosomes seem to have faded away, I've become that dreaded creature - a "user", and I've long reluctantly accepted that although I had to buy it myself, it's actually Microsoft's PC I'm using and they get to decide how it runs!

But actually, given the general level of user friendliness and the fact that MS no longer seem to want to extract huge amounts of money for an OS upgrade, I'm pretty content with Windows now. I actually think W11 is pretty good, apart from the interface changes and annoying tendency to want to feed you cr*p through various messaging stuff. The interface can be dealt with (I use Start 11 and Fences), most of the notification stuff seems to be turn-off'able, and I haven't used any form of MS file mangler for decades (I use Directory Opus)

I've yet to move to W11 on my desktop (non Sim) PC simply because I have that set up the way I want it and run quite a few fairly ancient little pgms on it, and I suspect a few of those will not be happy with W11, but I'm beginning to get around to doing that. As the saying goes - change is inevitable, except from a vending machine.

As soon as 24H2 gets officially released, I'll update. But not until then.

I installed the KB5041587 for Win11 23H2,  everything work beautiful, MSFS starting with no problems so looking good so far.

I am doeing it like andy1252, i will wait until the officiall release from 24H2 and than i update, to say i am lucky with my 23H2 Version so no problem for me to wait..

cheers 😉

On 8/28/2024 at 9:07 AM, Freq_flyer44 said:

I know you went to the trouble to test.. but the perf impact is to the CPU side, could you do the test at 1080p and see what the difference is?

Although it would make sense to do this, I’ll leave it for someone else to do. I wanted to do the tests in 4K since that’s what I use.