1 hour ago, rob0203 said:

In what region do you live? Europe seems worse somehow

I live in the UK and installed and logged in quite happily around 7am on Wednesday. I had a short flight in the afternoon. Biggest issue for me was the changed keyboard shortcuts from 2020.

8 hours ago, JonathanC said:

I do find it funny how you seem to be so interested in this sim without any intention of ever actually trying it. Feels like you have an axe to grind. Well, anyway, you do you.

Meanwhile, the sim has been working fine for me in Toronto. Appears the US and Canada seem to be alright. Europe and the rest of the world likely need some server tweaking on Azure.

I own 2020, it changed the way i see and play games, totally, i dabbled a bit in flightsims but 2020 totally grabbed me and hooked me in and still does. 

I felt way back when they said 2024 was coming that it would just be the same game, and it is, so please explain what i am missing out on? Please explain how i have no connection to it as an owner of 2020? Of course i do, i have every right to still talk about 2020 on here.

I have no axe to grind, what i say means nothing, but now Jaytwocense has done that video, regardless of what you think about him, that is huge..... you can pretend all you want all is going marvellously, but it really isn't, its even affecting some people in 2020 now as they are messing with servers to help 2024.... a shambles.

Frankly, for me it is the people who jumped to 2024 and let everyone know the price of the package they were buying etc, they are the ones desperately trying to shut people down and change the narrative... i have no narrative, if it was much better than 2020 of course i buy it, but it isn't so far, no where near and right now i don't think i will buy it because its word not allowed and 2020 does everything i need as a casual flight gamer.....

A few areas with well textured fields just isn't anywhere near worth a change...... 

It is working really well now! (Sweden)

I feel bad for the fs-team - msfs is their baby so the last thing they wanted was this much trouble when releasing the sim! I think msfs 2024 will be very very good over time since it is very good already once the release troubles are fixed for everyone!

I found this vid showing the beauty and detail of the scenery. Sorry if this has already been posted. This is not my video.

 

2 hours ago, flightyjoe said:

I own 2020, it changed the way i see and play games, totally, i dabbled a bit in flightsims but 2020 totally grabbed me and hooked me in and still does. 

I felt way back when they said 2024 was coming that it would just be the same game, and it is, so please explain what i am missing out on? Please explain how i have no connection to it as an owner of 2020? Of course i do, i have every right to still talk about 2020 on here.

I have no axe to grind, what i say means nothing, but now Jaytwocense has done that video, regardless of what you think about him, that is huge..... you can pretend all you want all is going marvellously, but it really isn't, its even affecting some people in 2020 now as they are messing with servers to help 2024.... a shambles.

Frankly, for me it is the people who jumped to 2024 and let everyone know the price of the package they were buying etc, they are the ones desperately trying to shut people down and change the narrative... i have no narrative, if it was much better than 2020 of course i buy it, but it isn't so far, no where near and right now i don't think i will buy it because its word not allowed and 2020 does everything i need as a casual flight gamer.....

A few areas with well textured fields just isn't anywhere near worth a change...... 

 

I’ve just seen Jays video, it is big - I cannot wait for digital foundry’s tech dive on this also.

2024 right now is a total disappointment (I wanted to type something else), putting the tech issues to one side - I’m seeing nothing to write home about here, and he’s right - everything they promised could have been done in 2020. 
 

wake up people!

Edited November 21, 20241 yr by hanhamreds

Jayztwocents  really didn’t hold back there.

look reviews like this will harm sales, he’s not a FS influencer, his reach goes way beyond that - to the casual folks MS are trying to tap into. His advise is don’t buy at least for now, wait a while, this feels like a cash grab he said.
 

Look at those steam reviews, that’s more damage to the future user base - no one sitting on the fence is going to spend hard earned cash on something which has “mostly negative” reviews.
 

Then there’s gamepass - that’s the home of the casual I’ll give it a try gamer. Users won’t download it again in six months time - it’s gone folks!

I’m gutted - this release does damage to reputations and potentially the longevity of the genre. No lessons have been learned over the last four years, hard hard questions need to be asked - oh to be that fly on the wall.

I finally managed to get in and try it this morning. It looks great, feels great and the new aircraft look great. I just feel though that there are going to be serious problems with the streaming model.

There is now no point in having fast storage because your internet speed and reliability has become the limiting factor. This is why the sim currently isn't functioning, it's wholly dependent on MS servers which are currently slow or broken.

A simple test of this is to slew upwards from an airport to around 3000ft, then slew miles into the distance, you will now have no scenery and get a message that there is no bandwidth. Obviously the servers are hurting at the moment but this was reliable in the past because the server bandwidth and reliability wasn't too important whereas now it's critical.

I think they will fix things obviously but there are huge fundamental flaws with this model and it's frustrating that it could so easily be fixed with an optional local disk install option.

6 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

Eclipses apparently work in 2024

Yes, but is the shadow track accurate? Has anyone tested this from the ground?

just come off a workout on Zwift to see how 2024 is going - I'm still getting bandwidth and live traffic warnings popup. 

its Day 3

I decided to install the game a few hours ago and keep the 2020 version.

I was flying around 15 minutes later!

Kinda funny but when 2020 was launched we had the exact same conversations with people defending p3d and fsx and denigrating 2020 with pretty much the same language they are using now about 2024. 
 

Was it a good launch? Hell no. It was horrible, likely one of the worst big launches ever. 
 

does this mean 2024 is dead? Nope.  It could die if they don’t fix the issues with the servers in short time. But if they do fix it, the game is great. 

I'll wait to see how it runs when things have settled down. It took nearly ten minutes for a Twin Otter to fully materialise around me last night. 

Allowing local storage for more game assets beyond aircraft and airports will solve a lot of problems. I'd rather have a similar ish install size to 2020 than be a total slave to bandwidth. 

If they don't do that, and it can't be that hard, then 2024 probably won't be usable for me. 

Edited November 21, 20241 yr by superspud

My earth is still black without textures.................................................................................................................. 

I was out of town when this released Wednesday which turned out to be good luck, I missed all of the loading / installation issues and was able to get it installed quickly and without issue when I got home last night.

Only had time to mess around with it a bit before bed, but some random observations:

- overall it looks like quite nice, performance was decent though not exceptional...this is without AI traffic, detailed airport scenery etc.  

- The couple of aircraft I flew felt nice to fly.

- I flew the C-17 down through the Grand Canyon and it looked great.  I think the C-17 is one I'll have a lot of fun with.

- Something is being misinterpreted in the powerline data as there are large, high voltage metal towers all over the place in areas that would at most have a three phase on top of a single wooden pole.

- I didn't have as much trouble setting up controls and some seem to have though it is an annoying process getting everything set up.  I'll get it done before long.  It's too bad there doesn't seem to be a way to do some of the axis configuration that I currently do with FSUIPC, for example setting the detent in my TQ6 as the bottom of the throttle axis range for aircraft without beta / reverse thrust (or a way to set up reverse thrust on the axis).  So I'll need to use my FSUIPC profiles but I do appreciate the ability to set control profiles per aircraft, even if it will be to use a blank profile for the aircraft that I utilize FSUIPC with.

- In the control sensitivity screen I couldn't see my axes moving.

- Trying to set up the POV hat was the most irritating part as it was very difficult to get the diagonal ones to register as a single button instead of some combination of diagonal and the adjacent POV command.  It seems like a questionable decision to have it take multiple commands so easily and make it difficult to enter a single command.

- I had a few cases when the aircraft textures were blurry for a minute or two upon first loading.

- UI is not my favourite (2020 was better) but not the end of the world to me.

Overall, it's early days but I look forward to getting some addon airports ported over and doing some exploring.  I'm not honestly in a rush to bring aircraft over as there's so many new ones to check out.

The aircraft selection screen is a giant mess, first time I used I thought "who actually designed this rubbish!?", no favourites tab either which IIRC was something they were going to add.