1 hour ago, tttocs said:

but still buy 4k Blu Ray for blockbusters that I know are well-shot with great sound that I'll likely watch more than once.

If you have a home cinema setup as I do then that makes perfect sense. Films containing lots of dialogue are okay streamed but crash, bang, wallop does benefit from the extra quality of 4K Blu-ray. Gladiator is one of my favourites.

Sorry for drifting off topic.

28 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Good for you. I don't do much low-level flying. If I did MSFS2020 would be the obvious choice. I get my greatest satisfaction from flying Concorde - 23 miles a minute at 11 miles up. Then working out the decel point so I'm subsonic 55nm before landfall. Delta wing aircraft are a real challenge.

I've been pleasantly surprised with the high altitude representation in FS2024, for me it looks almost lifelike. The next version of MSFS I think it will look lifelike.

 

The night flying difference is like night and day pardon the pun 😉 so many irritating graphical anomalies in 2020 that are gone in 2024 although there still is one (the snow on displays

10 minutes ago, Seattle Simmer said:

Agree one hundred percent with Starlifter60 comments. The traffic issue for me is key. After being a happy FSLTL user for a long time I'm very reluctant to go back to the MSFS traffic options. Still, I occasionally take one more stab at setting up my controllers....

I'm using Justflight, FSTL and AIG with BATC. It's seems to work just as well as 2020 except that I can't see beacon, taxi, landing and strobe lights 😞

Actually, I used my Blu-ray player yesterday.  I have a large collection of great pristine movies and they are always better than streaming (no buffering and crisp video).  Though I stream a lot I probably use the player a couple of times a month on average.

For scenery detail, weather, traffic, etc. streaming is really necessary and it will continue to improve.

1 hour ago, laserit said:

I've been pleasantly surprised with the high altitude representation in FS2024, for me it looks almost lifelike. The next version of MSFS I think it will look lifelike.

Will there be a next version? What else can be improved sufficiently to justify one?

43 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Will there be a next version? What else can be improved sufficiently to justify one?

It (meaning the entire franchise) has been too successful for there not to be a new version...eventually.

It might be a while though.  I'm not convinced there will be a new one in 4 years.

What can be improved sufficiently (to warrant a new version)?   Hard to say at this point.  Technology changes, something may come about in a few years that will really benefit flight simulation, who is to say how things will shake out...

17 hours ago, scotchegg said:

You're right. It's been three weeks now, after all. It's time to accept that this sim is never going to be fixed and should be allowed to die it's natural death. 

Ah well. We had a good run.

I think alot of you simmers who expect perfection overnight should go away and get your refunds. And stop trolling for acceptance for your decision. If it's not for you "fine' 2020 is still working. Stop trolling for acceptance for your decision to be correct.

3 hours ago, tpete61 said:

This product is far from a full on flight simulator

Took off from Elstree on a solo cross country exercise.  The EFB, instruments, frequencies, routing, view out the window, the weather and lots of other things were the same in the simulator I practiced on at home.

I gained a lot of confidence from my home simulator, with real flight being so familiar.

Practicing circuits for hours were made easier by practicing on my home simulator. Every building and object used on the real circuit were there in the home simulator.  Noise abatement routes were all there and accurate.

MSFS just a game lol!

4 minutes ago, Bigmack said:

I think alot of you simmers who expect perfection overnight should go away and get your refunds. And stop trolling for acceptance for your decision. If it's not for you "fine' 2020 is still working. Stop trolling for acceptance for your decision to be correct.

You quoted the guy who was being sarcastic LOL  The entire post you quoted to tell people to go pound sand was made in jest...  

Again, all of this could have been avoided if Woody would have gone directly to separate forums 😉 LOL   

18 minutes ago, Mace said:

What can be improved sufficiently (to warrant a new version)?   Hard to say at this point.  Technology changes, something may come about in a few years that will really benefit flight simulation, who is to say how things will shake out...

I think 2020 was such a breakthrough it raised the level to close to the max. 2024 appears to have improved things but not significantly.

Maybe a breakthrough in SSD size allowing users to store significant parts of the world on their own setups. Current biggest SSD is 100Tb. In 5-6 years that could be close to 300Tb.

That’s a lot of storage.

1 hour ago, laserit said:

its a show stopper for people without good internet access

Define good internet access. 

MS clearly states 10Mbps as minimum bandwidth, 50Mbps recommended and 100Mbps as ideal. I've seen posts from people with fiber service having streaming issues, so the problem lies with MS streaming services. As it stands now it looks like their streaming service in its current state is not enough or 2024 code is not well designed and optimized, either way it is on Asobo/MS, dont matter which way you look at it or from what perspective.

Just now, CarlosF said:

Define good internet access. 

MS clearly states 10Mbps as minimum bandwidth, 50Mbps recommended and 100Mbps as ideal. I've seen posts from people with fiber service having streaming issues, so the problem lies with MS streaming services. As it stands now it looks like their streaming service in its current state is not enough or 2024 code is not well designed and optimized, either way it is on Asobo/MS, dont matter which way you look at it or from what perspective.

I would say the LOD issues on XBOX threads from people on 1Gig Fiber re-iterates everything you just said.  Take the PC and bandwidth out of the equation entirely and if the issue still exists it's clearly not a local PC or a bandwidth issue.

It's sounding like, at this point, FS2020 is more for flight simulation and FS2024 is more for gamers that are concerned with rocks and blades of grass being rendered with fidelity. The actual aircraft being wonky is of little concern... look at the grass though.. it's beautiful.

I really hope they get the issues with '24 ironed out eventually.

48 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

MSFS just a game lol!

Sure, Available to play on Xbox with an Xbox controller in your hand.Replicates a real flight simulator!

Suit your self and consider it what you wish!

Remember Asobo is a gaming studio as well. We are all reminded of this when we boot up this game that is called simulator by some.

39 minutes ago, rjquick said:

FS2020 is more for flight simulation and FS2024 is more for gamers that are concerned with rocks and blades of grass being rendered with fidelity.

Isn't MSFS 2024 supposed to be an evolution of 2020? So basically it is the same sim with added content. It becomes a game when the graphical rendition of the surroundings is improved? I don't get it...

Ah yes, that brilliant logic again that seems to be popular around here for some:

Sim platform developer: adds or improves features A, B, C, D, etc for "core simulation", and also adds or improves features X, Y, Z etc for visual fidelity and so called "gamey" stuff per Serious Simmers ™️standard
Serious Simmer: "OMG they did did X & Y! Sim is more for gamers!"
 

Edited December 4, 20241 yr by lwt1971