53 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Presumably if you bought a washing machine where only two of eight programmes worked you would also describe it as “hilarious”

And the carnival of absurd analogies dances on.

6 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Hilarious is being used to describe the response to a broken product.  Any product in our complex world can have problems after purchase.  It would be hilarious to contact the washing machine company and tell them they ought to be fired, tell them they should be ashamed and suggest they have no clue what they are doing.

If the product is not fit for purpose which sounds like the case the buyer has every right to complain. I didn’t see any suggestion in the post I quoted that anyone should be fired or being ashamed.

It was the reaction to many being frustrated by a game with many faults describing it as “hilarious” that many will be annoyed by.

3 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

And the carnival of absurd analogies dances on.

It seems a reasonable one to me.

42 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

It seems a reasonable one to me.

Maybe that particular "scotchegg" was a bit " off ".

If we're doing analogies I'd say Asobe /Ms are guilty of a very long term 'bait and switch' 

If 2020 had never existed and 2024 had been released when dinosaurs still ruled the Earth (sorry couldn't resist FSX /P3D /XPLANE) people would be destroying it in reviews as a flight sim and laughing at it as a game. 

But... Because 2020 (yeah I know it wasn't great at launch) spent 4 years winning over the hearts and minds of what I guess would be 95% of the flight software market (the bait) the stage was set for the switch. 

"Hey it's as good as 2020 but better, we have over 100 planes and now we have careers and 8k sand!". 

Yes I'm being deliberately dramatic and simplistic here as I don't have time for a thesis this morning but good luck trying to argue that WITHOUT 2020 being well loved and respected (eventually) by the sim community Asobe would have had a cat in hells chance of getting away with this 'release'. 

Disclaimer: I currently still use FSX and P3D so I obviously still have a high opinion of their simming qualities even in 2024. 

12 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

What do you do in a walk around for the 777, count the wings?  😉

Maybe ask her:

 

For me, the streaming is fantastic.   Quick, great quality and I don't have to spend hours downloading scenery that I hardly use anyway.

Uses a lot less disk space too, so I can buy more addons.

 

It was aweful to start with, but that's because a certain MSFS mod screwed up my hosts file.

 

Cheers.

 

 

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

 

It was the reaction to many being frustrated 

 

If it was many who crushed the system downloading the game when it was published... than that many (complainers) is actually not that many. 

In my case, career mode was bringing CTD for a whole day. ( It was when the day before yesterday was tomorrow.) Now it's fine. All's fine. Having 2060, i7 9700k and SOOOOOOOOOOlid 30 FPS with almost everything maxed ( TLOD 200, OLOD 150) is GREAT! In my book.

 

I don't know what the definition of good internet access is, but my real world connection to places like Steam and Microsoft allows me to download games etc. at an average speed of 80mb a second. I had to learn the difference between a megabyte and a megabit 😉

 

I can download a song in a second or two, a movie in 20-30 seconds and a game in 2-15 minutes depending on size.

 

21 hours ago, CarlosF said:

Define good internet access. 

MS clearly states 10Mbps as minimum bandwidth, 50Mbps recommended and 100Mbps as ideal. I've seen posts from people with fiber service having streaming issues, so the problem lies with MS streaming services. As it stands now it looks like their streaming service in its current state is not enough or 2024 code is not well designed and optimized, either way it is on Asobo/MS, dont matter which way you look at it or from what perspective.

I don't know what the definition of good internet access is, but my real world connection to places like Steam and Microsoft allows me to download games etc. at an average speed of 80mb a second. I had to learn the difference between a megabyte and a megabit 😉

 

I can download a song in a second or two, a movie in 20-30 seconds and a game in 2-15 minutes depending on size.

 

fixed

 

On 12/4/2024 at 12:34 AM, Greazer said:

FS2024 has come to a dead end. The only way forwards, is backwards. The biggest issues of all is not the bandwidth or servers. It's the actual streaming architecture. The only way is to go back to FS2020 architecture and include offline mode as an option.

Ironically FSX came to a dead end as well, due to the graphics engine. It took a long time before there was new hope!

You and I go back a long way!😀 This isn't a dead end. It's the start of a new beginning. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing remains unanswered. I'm guessing that you miss the arguments and debates? Well, so do I. Are you going back to the cult which you broke free of?😂

 

 

Edited December 5, 20241 yr by jarmstro

8 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Really? When you buy something - whatever it is - you enter into a contract with the seller. You have every expectation that the product will work as described.

Presumably if you bought a washing machine where only two of eight programmes worked you would also describe it as “hilarious”.

The simulator DOES work. Imperfectly, yes. 

I handed over my $200 and am, so far, having an absolute blast checking out all the new features, etc.

I took a flight in Prepar3D yesterday, over the lovely TrueEarth Great Britain 120GB ortho scenery and dozens of Hi Fi 3rd party airports, etc.

No problems at all (now that we're on v5.4-ish!), but if it weren't for the incomparable A2A Civilian P-51 Mustang I was flying, I would've almost immediately quit out of the sim due to the lack of immersion.

Same thing in X-Plane: zero problems, but I have to be flying a Top Tier addon like REP + the new JF Piper Arrow III - WITH True Earth GB ortho scenery - in order to enjoy the experience and feel at least somewhat immersed.

(strange how our standards have changed!)

Whereas when I'm flying the FSR500 or A2A Comanche in v2024 the immersion is, quite literally, at another level entirely.

And in my use case, and many others including Big Iron fliers, it's working more than well enough to switch.

It's so far advanced over the competition, and even its direct predecessor v2020, that i've not the slightest concern with making it my primary flight simulator, even while I acknowledge that there's a long laundry list of things for Jorg and Seb to fix.

I'll never go back - it's just that.much.better.

3 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

I'll never go back - it's just that.much.better.

If that’s your choice, fine. I’m happy with the sim of my choice but won’t go into the reasons why I won’t buy MSFS because it’s comparing sims which will only lead to the inevitable.

7 hours ago, sloppysmusic said:

Disclaimer: I currently still use FSX and P3D so I obviously still have a high opinion of their simming qualities even in 2024. 

I just went up in Prepar3D v5 with A2A's Civ Mustang. And Orbx TrueEarth. And ActiveSky.

Good simulator + FANTASTIC addon + good $$$ scenery + mandatory real weather $$

And all combined simply can't compare to v2024, especially considering sunk costs.

The only thing keeping me there from time to time is the MilViz T-38C (which may never come to MSFS according to them), the Majestic Q400 (which I will eventually replace with the FJS Q400 in XP), and the fleet of A2A AccuSim aircraft there.

Once those have analogs in v2024 or XP (and the list is continually getting shorter and shorter...), I'll be ready to retire that sim permanently.

Other than that, it's v2024 all the way.

Gotta say. loving life in MS2024. The Fenix works 100% and the visuals/feel are a major step up from 2020. A few annoying issues with setup, controls ect. However, once there and set, just breath taking. 

MSFS2020 does feel like last gen now and P3D? lets not go there lol