2 minutes ago, David Roch said:

 and without evidence, no accusation is admissible.
 

I still have the executable :)

I also believe they have learned their lesson and will not do such things ever again, it would just probably kill them. While i am not touching their 321, because i already own one probably as good (at least to my limited knowledge of an A320 aircraft since i'm not a real pilot) i would probably buy an A330 coming from them.

10 minutes ago, David Roch said:

Yes, I understand that people deserve to know, but Avsim is not a court and without evidence, no accusation is admissible.
And personally, when I see a pack rushing towards prey, I tend to take the side of the prey, especially if it is not there to defend itself.

So you want to defend the "prey". The same prey that was caught installing malware on consumers computers? 

It's honestly pretty wild that some people still side with FSLabs after that drama. Are you fine with companies doing whatever the hell they want on your personal devices and privacy?

13 minutes ago, David Roch said:

Yes, I understand that people deserve to know, but Avsim is not a court and without evidence, no accusation is admissible.
And personally, when I see a pack rushing towards prey, I tend to take the side of the prey, especially if it is not there to defend itself.

"Without evidence" ?? There was a literal malware .exe installed with the product which steals all your Chrome passwords. What on earth is "evidence" if not this?!

1 minute ago, David Roch said:

Yes, I understand that people deserve to know, but Avsim is not a court and without evidence, no accusation is admissible.
And personally, when I see a pack rushing towards prey, I tend to take the side of the prey, especially if it is not there to defend itself.

I am sure FS Labs has been around long enough to see that there are some "reputational residual issues" that require some management. I am not seeing any action on their part and that's on them. Unfortunately i do not see them as prey or victims here. They are an ongoing business concern known to have been distributing malware on peoples computers bundled with their software. 

Their response was left wanting and their reputation on the ethical side in my own opinion is very poor...  However from what i have seen in the recent video that was removed from avsim their response was in essence to double down and provide excuses. Which again does not say much for their rep.. in my eyes of course as a potential customer. I would like to be assured by the dev that the current DRM solutions on their products are guaranteed to be malware free and simply disables the product if it is found to be not genuine and NOT do anything else but that. If anyone is able to point out to me where they have addressed this issue by all means please let me know.

So i am sorry you are disappointed to not see reviews and discussions of feature-sets and proper comparisons that are more to your liking but the way things are looking the narrative on here is giving the indication that other things need to be properly addressed and fleshed out to completion in order for people (myself included) to move on from something as serious as what they did no matter how great their product is.

20 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

The P3D version of the FSL Airbus was locked to a specific version of the flightsim.exe file, but that may no longer be the case in their new product for MSFS. Even if it is, updating the in-sim AIRAC should not affect anything, as that does not change the flightsim.exe version.

FSL uses Navigraph for their FMS nav data, but the in-sim AIRAC defines navaids (VORs, NDBs and ILS approaches).  

Do you know this for sure in regards to version locking for MSFS?  Is there a statement regarding this i can go to?

22 minutes ago, Maxis said:

Do you know this for sure in regards to version locking for MSFS?  Is there a statement regarding this i can go to?

I have no idea. Someone was speculating that the new FSL Airbus will be locked to the sim version because that was something they did in the past with P3D. I do not (and would not) buy anything made by FSL under any circumstances, so I do not know what the new product does or doesn’t do. FSL official support forums would probably be the best place to ask.

In P3D most 3rd party add-ons were indeed locked to a specific sim version. Sim updates happened very rarely (every few months), and developers would often have to recompile their complex add-ons with the latest SDK if the base sim version changed. 

The version of the MSFS core executable changes much more often. 2024 has had three versions in the past 3 weeks, and I’m sure that pace will continue. Updates to MSFS 2020 have slowed down, but there will be future sim updates there as well that will change the executable version.

As far as I know, the new FSL A321 was developed specifically for MSFS 2020, not (yet) for 2024.

My original point was that updates to the in-sim AIRAC data (which should happen every 28 days) will not change the sim executable version.

Edited December 11, 20241 yr by JRBarrett

2 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

I have no idea. Someone was speculating that the new FSL Airbus will be locked to the sim version because that was something they did in the past with P3D. I do not (and would not) use anything made by FSL so I do not know what the new product does or doesn’t do. FSL official support forums would probably be the best place to ask.

In P3D most 3rd party add-ons were indeed locked to a specific sim version. Sim updates happened very rarely (every few months), and developers would often have to recompile their complex add-ons with the latest SDK if the base sim version changed. 

The version of the MSFS core executable changes much more often. 2024 has had three versions in the past 3 weeks, and I’m sure that pace will continue. Updates to MSFS 2020 have slowed down, but there will be future sim updates there as well that will change the executable version.

My original point was that updates to the in-sim AIRAC data (which should happen every 28 days) will not change the sim executable version.

Fair and thank you for the clarification 🙂 .

I guess we will see eventually when the version numbers change on the platform.

Edited December 11, 20241 yr by Maxis

22 hours ago, ryanbatc said:

I wish we had more Airbus addons

i wish we had more pay to beta products.  theres not enough

55 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

I have no idea. Someone was speculating that the new FSL Airbus will be locked to the sim version because that was something they did in the past with P3D. I do not (and would not) buy anything made by FSL under any circumstances, so I do not know what the new product does or doesn’t do. FSL official support forums would probably be the best place to ask.

In P3D most 3rd party add-ons were indeed locked to a specific sim version. Sim updates happened very rarely (every few months), and developers would often have to recompile their complex add-ons with the latest SDK if the base sim version changed. 

The version of the MSFS core executable changes much more often. 2024 has had three versions in the past 3 weeks, and I’m sure that pace will continue. Updates to MSFS 2020 have slowed down, but there will be future sim updates there as well that will change the executable version.

As far as I know, the new FSL A321 was developed specifically for MSFS 2020, not (yet) for 2024.

My original point was that updates to the in-sim AIRAC data (which should happen every 28 days) will not change the sim executable version.

Thank you It seems some of you guys are in your own bubble and I replied several times in here "I'm on the beta team" tested so many Airac updates without problems...

So many are of in just speculations, floating around here since 2002 (time flies) but some in here should do a reality check.  

Edited December 11, 20241 yr by virtualstuff

2 hours ago, David Roch said:

Yes, I understand that people deserve to know, but Avsim is not a court and without evidence, no accusation is admissible.
And personally, when I see a pack rushing towards prey, I tend to take the side of the prey, especially if it is not there to defend itself.

Agree.

I've been holding off buying an Airbus till FSL produced theirs.

Back to the product in itself. From what I could test, flight model, engines and systems are identical as in P3D. They introduces new feature like MTBF which looks like the « super ovfy » (pseudo random based on flown time) failure function I wanted to have in P3D. 

Icing was there already and overdone to be honest. It’s more an ATR than a 320 which is resilient to icing. Track record never shown icing crash even on Russian 320s.

They added also the MEL feature but it’s not something I am very keen on.

On the other hand, I couldn’t have the WXR radar working as in P3D. Anyone?

Sounds are the same old oggs.

That whole package has new graphics that look below current standard we got used to with PMDG and Fenix.

In the end, I feel the price really expensive for what I get: underwhelming graphics update and the loss of WXR radar. 
 

To be honest, it’s just a MSFS2020 port that worth 20 bucks max.

 

Deleted 2020. Now totally MSFS 2024. Would have been potential buyer but not until 2024 now. I'm not adverse to having competent varying airbusses. Having purchased Fenix airbusses I'll just have a standard there should/when the FSLabs  Airbus is ported over.

1 hour ago, Irisha said:

Back to the product in itself. From what I could test, flight model, engines and systems are identical as in P3D. They introduces new feature like MTBF which looks like the « super ovfy » (pseudo random based on flown time) failure function I wanted to have in P3D. 

Icing was there already and overdone to be honest. It’s more an ATR than a 320 which is resilient to icing. Track record never shown icing crash even on Russian 320s.

They added also the MEL feature but it’s not something I am very keen on.

On the other hand, I couldn’t have the WXR radar working as in P3D. Anyone?

Sounds are the same old oggs.

That whole package has new graphics that look below current standard we got used to with PMDG and Fenix.

In the end, I feel the price really expensive for what I get: underwhelming graphics update and the loss of WXR radar. 
 

To be honest, it’s just a MSFS2020 port that worth 20 bucks max.

 

Finally an actual and subjective review! 

4 hours ago, David Roch said:

Yes, I understand that people deserve to know, but Avsim is not a court and without evidence, no accusation is admissible.
And personally, when I see a pack rushing towards prey, I tend to take the side of the prey, especially if it is not there to defend itself.

Presumably FSL are welcome to post here defending themselves?

I believe it would be factually incorrect for them to claim they have never included malware in their products though, and that seems to be what most people are highlighting.

The main reason I probably wont buy the FLS A321 is that I already have the Fenix. I don't fly the A321 enough to justify buying another version of the same aircraft that may, or may not be, slightly better.

4 hours ago, Nuno Pinto said:

I would probably buy an A330 coming from them.

An A330 from FSL would have been a day 1 purchase for me too.