46 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

Can you detail what steps you think they need to take / critical bugs they need to iron out before Xmas, and what exactly the effect will be if they can’t?

I can. I have three aircraft in 2024 that are not bugged to a degree that make them unusable. They are the C172, the Black Square Turbine Duke and thanks to Bert P. the Carenado Cessna 330.

Even these have awkward bugs; the Dukes skins often do not load correctly, neither the C172 nor C330 have cockpit lighting that works in daylight.

All the rest have more serious bugs that prevent IFR flying in the form of Garmin units that don't work properly,  the inability to select ILS frequencies or - most seriously - since the latest patch the sim crashes constantly. 

I would appreciate the aircraft within the edition I have purchased to be made functional and whatever was done in the recent patch investigated and rectified.

It's hardly impressive.  We're just coming up to the holiday season and I've effectively got a non-working sim with no idea when it might be workable. Indeed, I have no idea whether the developers of this software actually appreciate the depth or scale of how bugged their product is.

Edited December 19, 20241 yr by DD_Arthur

21 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I fly about 15 flights a week average with  2020, I don't see any bugs, but what do I know? 

Great you don't have issues, but browsing the official forums you'll be able to find a lot of MSFS 2020 related bug posts. Wrong units of measurement spring to mind, for instance QNH in Hg everywhere in the world. That is now fixed in MSFS 2024. But a lot of other things are now broken; the bug list in MSFS2024 is much, much longer. It is a therefor a wise choice to stick with MSFS 2020 if you don't want to be annoyed by all the bugs currently present in 2024.

21 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I just looked at the Fenix Discord Page for 2024 flyers. This is one of the developers that "fixed" their aircraft to work with 2024. You should see the list of problems with 2024. Go check it out for yourself. 

No need for me to check it out. I Already said MSFS 2024 has an immense list of bugs and shortcomings and I expect it will take a lot of time to fix them all. But despite all the annoyances I've have had more wow moments in MSFS 2024 as I ever had in 2020.

15 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I fly several flights a day, on my third flight now in the A 320. I haven't had any so called "bug" interfere with any flight I have flown  in well over a year, maybe two. 

That's good. As I said, a good choice to stick with it then.

53 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Nope

Quelle surprise

23 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

I can.

But you haven’t. You’ve given a list of your priority bugs but no reason they need to be fixed before Xmas or why MS / Asobo need to repair their reputation ASAP and what exactly will happen if they don’t.

19 hours ago, El Diablito said:

Anyone claiming 2020 is a "dead end" or full of bugs is just spouting pretentious nonsense. Objectively, I'm finding it hard to identify any bugs that make 2020 unusable

I said MSFS 2020 still has a lot of bugs, so I feel addressed. Why is it 'pretentious nonsense' to state the fact MSFS 2020 still has bugs? Look at the official forums, they really are still there. But of course they don't make the sim unusable! Who said that? MSFS 2024 has a lot of more bugs and shortcomings compared to its predecessor. It is nevertheless also very usable.

I agree about the fact MSFS 2020 is not a dead end at all. It has been stated officially already, as everyone knows, MSFS 2020 will be supported and updated for a couple of more years.

18 minutes ago, Rimshot said:

I said MSFS 2020 still has a lot of bugs, so I feel addressed. Why is it 'pretentious nonsense' to state the fact MSFS 2020 still has bugs? Look at the official forums, they really are still there. But of course they don't make the sim unusable! Who said that? MSFS 2024 has a lot of more bugs and shortcomings compared to its predecessor. It is nevertheless also very usable.

I agree about the fact MSFS 2020 is not a dead end at all. It has been stated officially already, as everyone knows, MSFS 2020 will be supported and updated for a couple of more years.

A sim that has frequent CTDs, and stutters,  is not Usable for most people. 

42 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

Quelle surprise

I refer you to a post I made yesterday. I feel it's paticularly appropriate for you.

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/659099-msfs-2024-is-a-pretty-mess/page/7/#findComment-5297258

And a gentle reminder to use English in AvSim.

47 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

A sim that has frequent CTDs, and stutters,  is not Usable for most people.

Well, as you replied many times yourself, when someone was posting about a problem, like you I'll cover up the problem with personal experience; I have not yet experienced a single stutter or CTD in MSFS 2024 yet. Therefor to me it is very usable and it is to a lot of others as well. I am of course totally aware of the fact other users are having problems. That is not right.

As far as I'm concerned MSFS 2024 is 'unusable' for a lot of other annoying bugs, like not being able to assign a callsign/registration to an aircraft (how come this changed from 2020??).

Whatever, I think the look and 'feel' of 2024 is a significant improvement over 2020. But it will take a long time before it will reach the same 'safe' level as MSFS 2020 

Edited December 19, 20241 yr by Rimshot

12 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

A sim that has frequent CTDs, and stutters,  is not Usable for most people. 

So what would you say if I told you that 2020 on my machine stutters like a machine gun, and 2024 is smooth like buttah?  I haven’t had a ctd yet at all while running 2024.  People say they have these issues.  I believe them, but I don’t see the same.  There are, im sure variances in user equipment, third party software, or which worldwide server is used that might be driving it.  I, sure there are folks who just dumped their whole 2020community folder into 2024, which mostly works, but is probably not adviseable. 
 

by all means, do what you want.  If you aren’t the sort that can deal with tech issues in a clear eyed manner, I probably wouldn’t advise buying any complex software anywhere near its release date.  There has never been a sim as ambitious as this series has been, or one with as many third party hardware and software products to try to reconcile.  There’s been conjecture all over the place about devs and bean counters, I feel with software like this, there is no amount of time that you can spend in house polishing it that can be perfect or adequate until it hits the millions of different setups and use cases that we all have, you just have to get it to a minimum viable state and release it.  And hyperbole aside, this is a rough, but very useable sim.

^

“Quelle surprise” is French,  but it is an oft used loan phrase by English speakers.  Petty.

If there's something that I can't add o the list of negative aspects MSFS 2024 has for me, the following makes part of it because:

- FS 2024 never CTD'd on me;

- FS 2024 never stuttered on me less in one occasion where I found I had two instances of the game running at the same time :-/;

- FS 2024, other than over that period of 4 days after the official launch, loads as fast as I recall FS 2020 did;

So, I can't blame FS 2024 for any of the above, and lucky me because I read other users descriptions and complaints about CTDs, stutters, slow loading times, etc...

The problem is only when I try to "fly" a prop, turboprop, glider, helicopter, non-FBW heavy, etc... Then it becomes such a delusion that I have to stop my session and either load Fenix 320 with BATC or exit the sim and go for a refreshing session in my alternatives... or when I need to look in more detail into the display of a given instrument that can be popped out and/or windowed, and completely lose control of the aircraft 😞 because my joysticks and rudder pedals aren't detected ...

Edited December 19, 20241 yr by jcomm

49 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

A sim that has frequent CTDs, and stutters,  is not Usable for most people. 

It actually doesn't CTD that much in Free Flight mode, provided you aren't using incompatible add-ons.  It hasn't CTDed on me yet in Free Flight mode.

I can't say the same thing about MSFS 2020 one month after its release. MSFS 2020 was constantly CTDing on me in Free Flight mode (granted, there was no Career Mode in MSFS 2020).

23 hours ago, Dusk said:

Personally believe we should keep 'ranting', as you put it, so that MS/Asobo do not get a free pass.

Seriously...You believe Microsoft isn't aware of the issues???

They have basically said they are on there own forum. They have done a live stream or two stating the same. This is the very same process that we all went through when 202 was released!

I highly doubt MS/Asobo is coming over here to Avsim to check up on how they are doing!

 

21 hours ago, fsiscool said:

I personally believe that the "ranting" is at a level that could demotivate MS to fund future updates.

Totally won't happen. They are revenue driven!