37 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

When I puchase something on line, I always read reviews first. When a large percentage of reviews say that the product is worthless, has tons of problems, doesn't work as expected, etc..etc..   Guess what, I don't buy it. Saves me a great deal of grief. Same goes for software. 

Good for you.

Many of the reviewers are looking for revenue from reviewing stuff online!

I would put very little trust in any online review.

Some may indeed have a "1 star" review but the devil is in the details.

Some 1 star reviews are posted online that have no relevance to the masses.

Pretty short sighted!

52 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

From all I have read about it  so far, it seems to be a pig with stunning lipstick.  😉

Actually,  I would reverse the analogy; more of a gem stone in the rough! 

I say this because I think the core of the thing is definitely advanced--its visuals are far superior to 2020 in every way; weather, flight model and ground model have definite and discernable improvements and its thin-client architecture is actually quite good, it needs refinement but the essentials are there. The problem for me is that the dozens and dozens of bugs -- from broken planes and flickering textures, the the inability to turn off the gamey "back on track" feature, the tail number bug that randomly changes your tail number every flight, the terrible AI landing 737s at my local flight club airport (runway 2300 feet), bad model matching, putting ocean faring ships on the Seine, the poor state of VR, and on and on it goes. This combined with the failure to actually check compatibility rather than just assume everything will work, meaning the marketplace is closed and I still do not have access to my 2020 purchases over a month later, and the extensive redesign of the UI with no help with the transition just makes it a very, very, very rough launch. 

They have indicated a sim updated every 3 months, in which case it may be a year before much of this gets resolved.

Edited December 18, 20241 yr by Cognita

52 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

From all I have read about it  so far, it seems to be a pig with stunning lipstick.  😉

Most of the pigs in 2024 fly acceptably well! Do they need work, yup!

10 minutes ago, tpete61 said:

2020 is a dead end, keep using it if you like it.

Last I heard it will be supported and updated for a couple of more years 😉

Edited December 18, 20241 yr by Rimshot

 

 

5 minutes ago, Cognita said:

The problem for me is that the dozens and dozens of bugs -- from broken planes and flickering textures, the the inability to turn off the gamey "back on track" feature, the tail number bug that randomly changes your tail number every flight, the terrible AI landing 737s at my local flight club airport (runway 2300 feet), bad model matching, putting ocean faring ships on the Seine, the poor state of VR, and on and on it goes. This combined with the failure to actually check compatibility rather than just assume everything will work, meaning the marketplace is closed and I still do not have access to my 2020 purchases over a month later, and the extensive redesign of the UI with no help with the transition just makes it a very, very, very rough launch. 

They have indicated a sim updated every 3 months, in which case it may be a year before much of this gets resolved.

Be careful, you are about to be attacked by the 2024 zealots. 🤣

11 minutes ago, tpete61 said:

Here we go again

Someone ranting the game doesn't work for them.

Plenty of people are happily using 2024.

Not sure what the purpose of your post is other than to stir up more nonsense.

2020 is a dead end, keep using it if you like it.

2024 is the future, if you don't like it there are other choices!!!

Personally believe we should keep 'ranting', as you put it, so that MS/Asobo do not get a free pass. We should keep putting pressure on them so that they keep fixing MSFS 2024 with regular updates. They released an unfinished product and need to be held to account.

If all we do is heap praise on them and don't point out the endless issues they will not change their habits!

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

From all I have read about it  so far, it seems to be a pig with stunning lipstick.  😉

The pig being your beloved MSFS 2020, still riddled with bugs as well. To me that lipstick is appealing enough though to use MSFS 2024 from time to time, despite the immense list of shortcomings.

Edited December 18, 20241 yr by Rimshot

2 minutes ago, Dusk said:

Personally believe we should keep 'ranting', as you put it, so that MS/Asobo do not get a free pass. We should keep putting pressure on them so that they keep fixing MSFS 2024 with regular updates. They released an unfinished product and need to be held to account.

If all we do is heap praise on them and don't point out the endless issues they will not change their habits!

Their habits, since they revitalized the flight sim market in 2020 has been making fixes and improvements at a rate unheard of in flight sim history.  You can rightfully complain, but I’ll take Asobo over any other sim dev we’ve ever had. 

3 minutes ago, Rimshot said:

The pig being your beloved MSFS 2020, still riddled with bugs as well. To me that lipstick is appealing enough though to use MSFS 2024 from time to time, despite the immense list of shortcomings.

And definitely this.  It’s amusing how people are now acting like 2020 has no issues all the sudden.

21 minutes ago, Cognita said:

flight model

Can you explain how the layman will notice a difference in this between the 2 sims, as in somebody who hasn't actually flown a real aircraft? Because it sounds like and looks like to me that people are just parroting this line as it sounds really "cool". An improved "flight model" is not a good USP for the average simmer when it means absolutely nothing to the average simmer.

6 minutes ago, Rimshot said:

The pig being your beloved MSFS 2020, still riddled with bugs as well. To me that lipstick is appealing enough though to use MSFS 2024 from time to time, despite the immense list of shortcomings.

I fly about 15 flights a week average with  2020, I don't see any bugs, but what do I know? 

2 hours ago, Jayjay said:

Nice for you, at least

Jean-Jacques

It isn't just nice for me, it is nice for thousands.  It has issues, but it isn't correct to say the sim is broken as that would mean nobody could use it.

14 minutes ago, ShawnG said:

And definitely this.  It’s amusing how people are now acting like 2020 has no issues all the sudden.

Similarly surprised by those who have discarded it and now think of it as a useless dead end... 

Last I check 2020 had a 10 yr commitment and it was great right up until 2024 was released then overnight it was no different than FS9 according to some here...  Since 2024 was released FSLabs and 777 have continued to release for 2020 and even Fenix is applying their updates to both 2020 and 2024.  

I mean talk about what have you done for me lately LOL 

Edited December 18, 20241 yr by psolk

13 minutes ago, Rimshot said:

The pig being your beloved MSFS 2020, still riddled with bugs as well. To me that lipstick is appealing enough though to use MSFS 2024 from time to time, despite the immense list of shortcomings.

I just looked at the Fenix Discord Page for 2024 flyers. This is one of the developers that "fixed" their aircraft to work with 2024. You should see the list of problems with 2024. Go check it out for yourself. 

15 minutes ago, ShawnG said:

Their habits, since they revitalized the flight sim market in 2020 has been making fixes and improvements at a rate unheard of in flight sim history.  You can rightfully complain, but I’ll take Asobo over any other sim dev we’ve ever had. 

THIS!
-B