Quite shocking to see a 'Us vs Them' war in flight simulator forum.

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

As long as everyone respects those whose choice of sim differs from their own

Well said Ray, except this IS AVSIM! 

I see 2 main arguments:

1) YOUR sim is older than MY sim. Mine is therefore superior in every way OR will be when all the bugs are fixed AND it's not the devs fault too many people tried to use the sim at launch." 

2) YOUR sim is more popular than MY sim at this point in time. It is therefore logically more suited to the masses and ergo more arcadey so obviously inferior. 

🤔😏😎

2 hours ago, Dusk said:

So we should not complain because it might upset a multi billion $ company?

I did not talk about not complaining at all. I did say the level of ranting could be an issue.

2 hours ago, psolk said:

I don't think that "ranting" or "rightly criticizing" where appropriate and where criticism is deserved will impact future development more than the refunds and ongoing revenue.

Oh, revenue is for sure driving future development. But revenue is often coupled with general sentiments. I mean, we have users here, who don't even have the sim, who are blinded by the negativity and think they can join the lamenting not with one post, or two posts but dozens of posts. And that every day. At least, these people have forgotten to complain about the MSFS 2020 shortcomings, which are fixed in the new sim.

I feel, especially for us free-flight guys, the issues are overblown vs. the improvements. What you get is fabulous. Many things are clearly improved vs. MSFS 2020.

20 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

Well said Ray, except this IS AVSIM! 

I’m watching with interest but that’s it. Be interesting to see how a full streaming sim works out. Supply must always exceed demand to keep people happy. Is that easy to manage?

1 hour ago, psolk said:

That was just an example of the hypocrisy of people here swearing by reviews when they are positive and dismissing them as clickbait when they are negative or worse, accusing the reviewers of something nefarious or something backhanded because they didn't say what people wanted to hear. 

You'd get easily a lot more of that hypocrisy, by people swearing about reviews when they are negative and dismissing them as clickbait when they are positive, accusing the reviewers of something nefarious or something backhanded because they didn't sing their song.

7 hours ago, MarcG said:

Still, I did have a nice wander around on foot looking at the pretty bushes 😄

I’ve had some great walks around the English Lakes with TLOD at 400 and an Xbox controller. 
The view from Skiddaw and Scafell Pike with live weather is astonishing!!

….the flying bit; not so good….

22 minutes ago, fsiscool said:

Oh, revenue is for sure driving future development. But revenue is often coupled with general sentiments. I mean, we have users here, who don't even have the sim, who are blinded by the negativity and think they can join the lamenting not with one post, or two posts but dozens of posts. And that every day. At least, these people have forgotten to complain about the MSFS 2020 shortcomings, which are fixed in the new sim.

I feel, especially for us free-flight guys, the issues are overblown vs. the improvements. What you get is fabulous. Many things are clearly improved vs. MSFS 2020.

Are those statements connected because 

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Revenue is coupled with general sentiments

 is true and makes sense.  If the general sentiment is negative then it's not going to do very well in terms of revenue, those things are usually pretty well coupled... 

BUT

that has nothing to do with users here 

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who don't even have the sim, who are blinded by the negativity and think they can join the lamenting not with one post, or two posts but dozens of posts. And that every day. At least, these people have forgotten to complain about the MSFS 2020 shortcomings, which are fixed in the new sim.

Those people can be put on an ignore list or reported and if it's one person then they are still one copy from a revenue perspective no matter how many times they post so I'm not sure how that is linked to your first statement?

Now why do you "feel" for you free flight guys?  Can't we all still enjoy our sims regardless of what people here post about them?   

No one should feel for any one who chooses to use their own sim for their own reasons.  If sim usage was based on comments at Avsim NO ONE would be simming in ANY version 😂

 

Edited December 18, 20241 yr by psolk

19 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Supply must always exceed demand to keep people happy. Is that easy to manage?

Well, indeed. IMO if an existing and successful software model is used for a new product and it fails, blame the engineers/coders. If that successful model is discarded for a new untried and untested model and fails blame the designers. The engineers can only do so much. The relevance here would be offline (massively successful and proven) vs online (untried and untested).

15 hours ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

They never forced anyone to jump on the FS2024 bandwagon so early though that is on the user as I feel no pity for them. Don't blame MS/Asobo blame yourselves for believing the hype.

 

😄 you're blaming the consumer who paid full price for a full release product? rather than the developer/publisher?

that's a hot take for sure

3 minutes ago, EGLD said:

😄 you're blaming the consumer who paid full price for a full release product? rather than the developer/publisher?

that's a hot take for sure

Lol yes that's called VICTIM SHAMING.

"They ASKED for it!"

32 minutes ago, fsiscool said:

I did not talk about not complaining at all. I did say the level of ranting could be an issue.

Oh, revenue is for sure driving future development. But revenue is often coupled with general sentiments. I mean, we have users here, who don't even have the sim, who are blinded by the negativity and think they can join the lamenting not with one post, or two posts but dozens of posts. And that every day. At least, these people have forgotten to complain about the MSFS 2020 shortcomings, which are fixed in the new sim.

I feel, especially for us free-flight guys, the issues are overblown vs. the improvements. What you get is fabulous. Many things are clearly improved vs. MSFS 2020.

I have been told that the "land bars" issue still exists in MSFS 2024. I would be interested to know if the DEM issues in certain locations, thin black lines appearing and disappearing in bodies of water, visible horizon line through mountains when the Sun is low, and mismatched vector data of coastlines and lakes in high latitude areas like Greenland have been fixed.

5 minutes ago, EGLD said:

😄 you're blaming the consumer who paid full price for a full release product? rather than the developer/publisher?

that's a hot take for sure

Caveat Emptor. 

thankfully basic consumer rights applied, as evidenced by the immediate, no arguments refunds that were provided

even Microsoft blamed themselves and not the consumer

Edited December 18, 20241 yr by EGLD

4 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

By the way, the page says that there is no support for the 2024 Fenix, because it is "experimental"....🤣

Even though that is the case, for me all the Fenix aircraft work just as they did in 2020. In the first release there was an issue with EFB clickspots which has now been fixed. I just wanted to mention this - not that I think it will sway your opinion in any way - but for other people interested in 2024 and Fenix. 

6 hours ago, Rimshot said:

The pig being your beloved MSFS 2020, still riddled with bugs as well. To me that lipstick is appealing enough though to use MSFS 2024 from time to time, despite the immense list of shortcomings.

I fly several flights a day, on my third flight now in the A 320. I haven't had any so called "bug" interfere with any flight I have flown  in well over a year, maybe two. 

Edited December 18, 20241 yr by Bobsk8