2 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

all the Fenix aircraft work just as they did in 2020.

Seconded. I'm having a lot of fun with APLv2 and the Fenix, with BATC for ATC. I'm flying around as a BA pilot all over Europe. Good times. 

24 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I haven't had any so called "bug" interfere with any flight I have flown  in well over a year,

Except maybe, purely by coincidence, during the release of a new sim recently? 

I'm stepping away from 24 for a bit.

I did a test long haul in the premium a306 and it CTDd 3/4 through the flight. Last night I lost an engine with it. There is a chance it's a thing with ENG 1/2 switches bound to the Bravo switches, but whatever weirdnesses in the sim, I've found all the INI planes are extra susceptable to glitches in the SIM. I've also been getting more CTDs on launch. I keep the Community folder verry clean in 24.

As others mentioned the Fenix flies great in 2024, as does the RJ. But I think I need to pause my involvement until the next patch, or even SU1.

I am very bullish on the future of MSFS24, but the last week of various issues has run me down.

19 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

Except maybe, purely by coincidence, during the release of a new sim recently? 

That's true, the day after 2024 dropped the server batteries must have drained out totally. 

1 hour ago, EGLD said:

😄 you're blaming the consumer who paid full price for a full release product? rather than the developer/publisher?

that's a hot take for sure

That is not a hot take at all that is reality. Did MS hold a gun to the customers head and demanded them to buy MS2024 NO. Did they hyped up a new version of MSFS and said everything would be all good and dandy on release (persuaded them to buy) and the gullible souls fell for it? Absolutely. Like I said no pity from me if people are struggling with the new version of MSFS.

Edited December 18, 20241 yr by JBDB-MD80

I don't think anyone is seeking your pity, I would imagine/hope even those who ordered a physical version of the product were/are entitled to a refund.

So I doubt there are any/many unwilling owners of the product.

11 hours ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

Did MS hold a gun to the customers head and demanded them to buy MS2024 NO. Did they hyped up a new version of MSFS and said everything would be all good and dandy on release (persuaded them to buy) and the gullible souls fell for it? Absolutely.

There is a reasonable expectation that when you buy something - whatever it is - it will perform as described / expected. That’s not being gullible. The fault does not lie with those who made the purchase and then experienced a nightmare trying to run it.

The fault lies entirely with the company who released software and its underlying support hardware. In my opinion Asobo didn’t want to release it. But the bean counters at Microsoft clearly had Christmas in their mind releasing it when they did.

3 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

In my opinion Asobo didn’t want to release it. But the bean counters at Microsoft clearly had Christmas in their mind releasing it when they did.

That's about the only reasonable, non-conspiracy-theory explanation, and almost certainly the case. Unfortunately, in this day and age that will never suffice, not enough drama.

36 minutes ago, andy1252 said:

That's about the only reasonable, non-conspiracy-theory explanation, and almost certainly the case. Unfortunately, in this day and age that will never suffice, not enough drama.

When you're on the outside and not emotionally (or financially) involved you can look at things dispassionately. It's not the first time it's happened and it won't be the last. But the big difference between this release and all the others from Microsoft is this is the first fully streamed. Brave or flawed? Time will tell.

36 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

There is a reasonable expectation that when you buy something - whatever it is - it will perform as described / expected.

I agree with this statement 100% but in the case of MSFS, it is hard to ignore the last 4 years. I did not buy 2024 because there was reasonable probability that it wouldn’t work as expected. But that doesn’t make it acceptable. It’s deplorable that Microsoft knew it had flaws and released it anyway. At least tell your audience the truth… that it’s a work in progress. 

 

19 minutes ago, Danno said:

It’s deplorable that Microsoft knew it had flaws and released it anyway. At least tell your audience the truth… that it’s a work in progress. 

Sadly for the poor programmers at Asobo and maybe Microsoft as well the bean counters have the final say. If they ignored the warnings from the tech side they were extremely negligent and it should have been those people facing the wrath of annoyed customers, not the poor buggers at Asobo and the techs at Microsoft.

They now need to repair their reputation asap. Hopefully the critical bugs can be ironed out before the log Christmas / New Year break. Another reason why releasing software in November is foolhardy.

2 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Another reason why releasing software in November is foolhardy.

To the delight of their detractors, they would have had to change the title to 'Flight Simulator 2025'.

37 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

They now need to repair their reputation asap. Hopefully the critical bugs can be ironed out before the log Christmas / New Year break. Another reason why releasing software in November is foolhardy.

Can you detail what steps you think they need to take / critical bugs they need to iron out before Xmas, and what exactly the effect will be if they can’t?

"To the delight of their detractors, they would have had to change the title to 'Flight Simulator 2025'."

I like the sound of MSFS 2025 better, they should have done that anyways!

13 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

Can you detail what steps you think they need to take / critical bugs they need to iron out before Xmas, and what exactly the effect will be if they can’t?

Nope because I don't have it. I thought I made that clear in an earlier message.