Even with all the bugs, MSFS 2024 works very well. Best to ignore the usual "complainers". Why they even stick around, is beyond me. 

The PC 12 cannot be started "cold and dark". I've tried to follow the start up procedure, as seen in a few real world youtube videos, and it just doesn't work. 

The PC 24 is completely worthless. 

I'm currently flying the default Cirrus and the FlightFX one. 

Again, I'd avise anyone still on the fence to try out MSFS 2024 (for example, via a Gamepass subscription) and to ignore this "chorus of tears and fears".

4 hours ago, John-Allen said:

I just got in to a PC12 and the darkened PDF has like 2000 filthy fingers smudges like maybe even from space?

NO self respecting RT or even Sim pilot would pass that by without trying to clean it?

Well at least they got a touchscreen effect in there

But messy or what

Yeah, why do the dev’s feel this is necessary? I don’t own MSFS2024 but even in MSFS2020 and in particular the FBW A32NX, more recently, when the sunlight reflects off the screens they are a disgusting slime of fingerprint smudges. They are not even touch screens! As are the flight deck windows. This is not realistic, takes it way too far. Who would want to fly an aircraft that looks like it last saw a cleaning crew 10 years ago!? No self respecting pilot would consider that acceptable in real life. I don’t.

Edited December 18, 20241 yr by RaptyrOne

Yet, and although I by far prefer X-Plane flight dynamics, I still spend most of the time playing with this game, because it can be addictive in stuff like Activities, Challenges, and haven't yet found the time for playing Career mode.

I avoid the helicopters and the gliders, the first because they keep rather inconsistent flight dynamics and systems wise, the gliders because I fly them IRL and they always (since FS 2020) felt rather detached from reality, but for a FBW Airbus, the Fenix being the only worth the use available in FS 2024, it still offer great simmimng sessions !

I think there isn't much they will be able to do about the flight dynamics, although I still have strong hopes on the new advances they mention regarding fuselage and additional aerodynamic elements being possible to get in more detail with FS 2024.

World scenery, even some aspects of weather rendering, performance with settings that make FS 2024 shine miles away from the other sims (less the airport details and lighting which is still not on par with, say, X-Plane 12), FS 2024 is a wonderful flight simulation game.

As I use to say as a comparison, FS 2024 is for civil flight simulation what War Thunder can be for those who play air combat games, and I had to quit playing WT because I was really getting addicted to it !

My «issue» is that it totally ruined my motivation to fly in both sims... some planes I like to fly like A380 and 777 are only available in MSFS2020, which I somehow not like anymore due to inferior optics. On the other hand, I do not like to fire up MSFS2024 because of the many issues still around. 

So now, in contrast to some months ago, I am somewhat overwhelmed by the availability of two sims. And this is somehow a hindrance rather than a promoting factor. Some kind of dilemma 🙈

3 hours ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

They never forced anyone to jump on the FS2024 bandwagon so early though that is on the user as I feel no pity for them. Don't blame MS/Asobo blame yourselves for believing the hype.

I'm 50/50 on this. I can't see any court of law ever ruling in favor of a manufacturer by saying its the customers fault they purchased a faulty product as they should have know better lol. I'm thinking specifically of a certain hot drink spilled by someone in the USA here! Sony never got in trouble for hyping a ps5 that just wasnt available freely for 2 years after launch. 

It DOES take 2 to get the hype train going too fast to stop though. One to feed the hype and the other to greedily lap it up and want more, more, MORE! 

6 hours ago, John-Allen said:

I just got in to a PC12 and the darkened PDF has like 2000 filthy fingers smudges like maybe even from space?

NO self respecting RT or even Sim pilot would pass that by without trying to clean it?

Well at least they got a touchscreen effect in there

But messy or what

This is an example of that strange desire of many flight simmers to want dirty aircraft and cockpits. I have never understood that.

11 hours ago, John-Allen said:

EFB never once did it get the full FP into the aircraft regardless of source

It's not broken!  The FP does not pull through automatically as it did in 2020.  You must set up the FMC or it won't work.

The biggest issue will and is cloud gaming...
You never know if today is the day you can fly without streaming issues.

11 hours ago, Max Kraus said:

I like the visuals, not sure if it's great leap from 2020

I'm sure it is a big leap. The lighting is now correct and the ground detail is way higher. No more horrid lime green everywhere.

3 hours ago, RaptyrOne said:

Yeah, why do the dev’s feel this is necessary? I don’t own MSFS2024 but even in MSFS2020 and in particular the FBW A32NX, more recently, when the sunlight reflects off the screens they are a disgusting slime of fingerprint smudges. They are not even touch screens! As are the flight deck windows. This is not realistic, takes it way too far. Who would want to fly an aircraft that looks like it last saw a cleaning crew 10 years ago!? No self respecting pilot would consider that acceptable in real life. I don’t.

Real flight decks, particularly on older aircraft are pretty grubby.  Bacterial petri dishes

3 hours ago, jcomm said:

I think there isn't much they will be able to do about the flight dynamics, although I still have strong hopes on the new advances they mention regarding fuselage and additional aerodynamic elements being possible to get in more detail with FS 2024.

Oh but they have already done a lot about the flight dynamics and ground handling 🙂, as is very evident in some of the default aircraft including the C172, A330, etc (whose FMs all use CFD and is taking advantage of the more detailed aircraft/surfaces geometry setup which the CFD uses).. and as also is evident in the 2024 versions of the Fenix, ini A300, etc.

The Fenix 2024 version in particular is quite the flight dynamics champ it appears: https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/654326-msfs-2024-flight-dynamics-and-groundwater-handling-thread/page/8/#findComment-5265248

And one of the many IRL pilots' positive reviews of the default C172's FM, i.e: https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/654326-msfs-2024-flight-dynamics-and-groundwater-handling-thread/page/8/#findComment-5262959

Despite the various bugs, it's actually the flight dynamics and ground handling, and of course the stellar new visuals and revamped photometric lighting engine that has me staying on 2024 and hardly using 2020 at all any more.
 

Edited December 18, 20241 yr by lwt1971

11 hours ago, Max Kraus said:

I like the visuals, not sure if it's great leap from 2020 but my biggest reservation is the streaming and doing a 1 hour flight in the Fenix only to find the runway is blurry or sometimes even not there at all.

I'm kind of in a waiting pattern for now with 2024 to see what comes next.

With this being an aviation simulator enthusiast forum, you should have said, "I'm kind of in a "holding pattern" for now with 2024 ...."  Log it as a "missed approach" to get your message out. 😊

2 hours ago, AnkH said:

My «issue» is that it totally ruined my motivation to fly in both sims... some planes I like to fly like A380 and 777 are only available in MSFS2020, which I somehow not like anymore due to inferior optics. On the other hand, I do not like to fire up MSFS2024 because of the many issues still around. 

So now, in contrast to some months ago, I am somewhat overwhelmed by the availability of two sims. And this is somehow a hindrance rather than a promoting factor. Some kind of dilemma 🙈

 

Yep I feel the exact same way, 2024 is still a mess for me in Cairns Australia, over a month now and things still look like fs98, just a big blurry textured mess and loading never completes, I hope that come 2025 we will finally be given some options to bring the streaming requirements to be largely equivalent to what we have in 2020 as that at least works.  Streaming everything is simply not working for me and no it's not my pc nor my bandwidth.
But as a result of this even 2020 I haven't fired up for weeks, the whole 2024 debacle has resulted in negative levels of enthusiasm.

It's a bit like having 2 cars in your garage, the reliable sedan and the luxury sports car next to it but the sports car has no engine!  All you can do is look at it and hope that one day when you turn that key the engine will finally be there.  At the same time I can't really enjoy the sedan anymore either as the sports car is right there, I can't unsee it, I know how satisfying it would be to drive!!!

1 hour ago, Christopher Low said:

This is an example of that strange desire of many flight simmers to want dirty aircraft and cockpits. I have never understood that.

I believe the desire is that the cockpits have that "lived in" look.  But in usual Asobo fashion they went over the top and the cockpits have that "sneezed in" look instead. 

3 hours ago, jcomm said:

I think there isn't much they will be able to do about the flight dynamics

Is that why you called MSFS 2024 'arcade' in the other forum?