4 hours ago, booga said:

MSFS stutters on a PC with a 7800X3D and a 4090. MSFS 2020 does not.

As somebody else has pointed out, MSFS stutters on some (or your) Pc's with a 7800x3d and a 4090.  I have the same spec and I have never seen stutters in 2024 and that is with EVERYTHING on Ultra.

3 hours ago, rjquick said:

the people that are using 2024 really need to be honest about issues they see as it will help will with development.

OK - I have had some crashes to desktop and one of the autopilot buttons didn't work in one of my aircraft.  For some, such bugs mean the sim is broken, is in an alpha state and cannot be used. For me, it is an amazing upgrade to 2020 that I am enjoying a great deal.

The Terrabyte on my M2. hard drive accessed via bus inches away is better than the Petabyte in the cloud accessed via a copper wire /240v range extender/WiFi router/cable modem /local bridge /isp gateway/dns forwarded /microsoft azure server (shared with thousands of others) . 

Jumped into 2024 with both feet for the ride, yeah there has been some annoying things and bugs. However, the enjoyment so far has outweighed the inconvenience. It would be hard to go back to 2020.  

1 hour ago, SierraDelta said:

No, what you meant to say was: "I meant to say: MSFS 2024 stutters on a my PC with a 7800X3D and a 4090. MSFS 2020 does not."

Neither MSFS 2024 or MSFS stutters on my PC.

What I said is factually correct. My computer is "a computer", after all.

Of course I am giving my experience and perspective. I thought that was obvious, since I cannot give any other.

I don't know why anyone would have a problem with my preference for MSFS 2020. I'm not asking anyone else to use it.

1 hour ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

As somebody else has pointed out, MSFS stutters on some (or your) Pc's with a 7800x3d and a 4090.  I have the same spec and I have never seen stutters in 2024 and that is with EVERYTHING on Ultra.

Good for you! I don't know what resolution your monitor is, or its refresh rate, and nor do I care, because I only care about how things run for me, on my machine.

1 hour ago, RaptyrOne said:

I predict that a year from now, majority of flight simmers will be back on 2020 with MSFS2024 relegated to “Windows Me” status, used only by gamers wanting the career stuff and looking at pebbles in the river.

I predict you'll be comically wrong a year from now, as you are now.

If you were misinformed enough to think that 2024 was only about career stuff and pebbles in the river, then it's rather puzzling you were excited for 2024 in the first place.

 

4 minutes ago, booga said:

Good for you! I don't know what resolution your monitor is, or its refresh rate, and nor do I care, because I only care about how things run for me, on my machine.

Maybe the problem is in 2024 reacting negatively to your system, but knowing others have smooth performance should be positive knowledge for you.  If I have a problem that others do not, I have something to work with.

My monitor is 4K HDR at 240Hz, with 2024 limited to 60fps with RivaTuner. 

1 hour ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Rather than cherry pick those two things, why not state they are as a result of a 4,000 percent increase in terrain resolution?  This increase results in much more improvement than rocks and twigs.  Only today, another small patch was released that has resulted in a smoother and higher fps for many.

I have absolute understanding why somebody would stay with 2020 if their setup and use doesn't currently fit well with 2024, but I do cringe when I see a comment like yours.

And people that have stutters, CTDs, missing runways, aircraft they can't fly, engines that turn off or won't start,  probably cringe when they read a comment like yours. 

1 minute ago, Bobsk8 said:

And people that have stutters, CTDs, missing runways, aircraft they can't fly, engines that turn off or won't start,  probably cringe when they read a comment like yours. 

You should read my post again - I cringe when somebody cherry picks something to suit their argument - mentioning twigs and rocks while leaving out everything else the 4,000 percent increase in terrain resolution brings.

I covered those simmers with more serious problems in my second paragraph , which you appear to have ignored.

46 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

And people that have stutters, CTDs, missing runways, aircraft they can't fly, engines that turn off or won't start,  probably cringe when they read a comment like yours. 

You won't and can't win mate. It was the same when ms2020 came out and it's the same with xp12.  

For the 2024 die hard fans, just let them pay to beta test it for you,  they won't listen.

 

 

Looks like Steam statistics is baring out the preference for 2020 like the small poll we have:

FS2020:

Microsoft Flight Simulator - Steam Charts

FS2024:

Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 - Steam Charts

Would love to see what's on Microsoft's side. 2024 needs a good few beta's released to us then we can get about the business of fixing it.  Like what we did with 2020.🤞

Edited December 21, 20241 yr by Dillon

38 minutes ago, Dillon said:

Looks like Steam statistics is baring out the preference for 2020 like the small poll we have:

FS2020:

Microsoft Flight Simulator - Steam Charts

FS2024:

Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 - Steam Charts

Would love to see what's on Microsoft's side. 2024 needs a good few beta's released to us then we can get about the business of fixing it.  Like what we did with 2020.🤞

And what is interesting is it has actually gone down the last 30 days which I interpret as very much the same sentiment as our mini poll.  

We "want" it to work but a lot of us are giving it time to mature, work out all of the kinks, finish the regression testing wait for all of the add-ons we prefer to make it over.  

I don't think it will be the 1-2 years MSFS was for a lot of people coming from P3D but I think it will be another 6-12 months for a lot of people...  

As far as the only actual data we have though, the majority of users are still very content with 2020. 

You can't really argue the numbers as they stand right now though.  Had it been as simple as fixing the servers you would have expected to see those numbers climb again after the launch issues but that's not what the numbers indicate. 

We will see what happens in a few months.  

 

 

 

Edited December 21, 20241 yr by psolk

I moved from P3D to MSFS 2020 18 months ago. I am in no rush to get FS2024. Probably in another year or so.

I think since I installed 2024, I only went back to 2020 twice to see the PMDG 777F install went as should. More and more sceneries and utilities are being made companiable for 2024, so I really haven't used 2020 much since I installed 2024. I miss my PMDG 737 and Ifly 737max (can't wait until they get ported over). But the Fenix been running well and HPG Helos been keeping me very busy in 2024. Almost forgot about the inibuilds A300-600. My plans were to eventually remove 2020 by summer of next year. But just have to wait and see how things work out.