3 minutes ago, bofhlusr said:

Simulating driving is much easier than simulating flying

You have NOT tried ETS have you?

Way more difficult getting your lorry/truck from A -B than doing the same in the Asobe sims. With full realism on you will have serious issues mastering the 18 manual gears, punishing damage system and avoiding speeding fines going downhill on motorway let alone trying to reverse your huge truck into a tiny warehouse parking lot loading bay.

 

40 minutes ago, bofhlusr said:

True, but 2020/2024 is as real as it gets compared to others.

So does the racing game Forza Horizon, by the way. I'm sure there are others. But, I don't think you can compare Euro Truck Simulator with Microsoft Flight Simulator. Simulating driving is much easier than simulating flying.  I bet millions of drivers will agree with that statement. 

You mean compared to the race sims that real world drivers and pro's use to test car physics, setup as well as accurately learn a new track and do 1000's of laps before a real tire ever hits the tarmac on a new track?  

There are literally professional e-sports leagues with significant payouts so to assume these people spending THOUSANDS on sim cockpits are not as "hard core" as flight simmers is a poor assumption.  My pedals alone were over $2,000 and I have a replica a my real cars cockpit door included in the basement! 

Yeah, those definitely are not as real as it gets 😉

Edited January 6, 20251 yr by psolk

2 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

You have NOT tried ETS have you?

Way more difficult getting your lorry/truck from A -B than doing the same in the Asobe sims. With full realism on you will have serious issues mastering the 18 manual gears, punishing damage system and avoiding speeding fines going downhill on motorway let alone trying to reverse your huge truck into a tiny warehouse parking lot loading bay.

 

Honestly, no I have not tried it.

But since we are talking about simulating real life, the cost of flying versus driving, or buying a plane vs a truck is incomparable... for good reason.

In flying you run out of gas, you die.  In driving you run out of gas, you stop. 🙂

29 minutes ago, bofhlusr said:

Honestly, no I have not tried it.

But since we are talking about simulating real life, the cost of flying versus driving, or buying a plane vs a truck is incomparable... for good reason.

In flying you run out of gas, you die.  In driving you run out of gas, you stop. 🙂

Do you know what a race weekend costs by any chance?  LOL  

5K on the low end to 50-250K at the amateur level to 1M plus per weekend for a pro car.   Sure, it's cheap... 

As for soft cost, it also carries risk of death and dismemberment LOL...

We are now pretty far from people leaving positive reviews though and blaming it on flight simmers being more discerning is a pretty big stretch in my eyes.  

BTW Indiana Jones was probably the biggest release alongside MSFS.  Almost parallel releases.  One is heaped with praise and positive reviews, the other is not.  People speak up loudly when they are happy too...  

 

Edited January 6, 20251 yr by psolk

15 hours ago, sloppysmusic said:

Someone was happy when they started this topic. 

I really, truly miss talking about the flying itself. 

The technique. The planes. The plans. The routes. The approaches. 

I miss it all so much. 

You should try walking into a real airline crew room, no one is talking about those things either , we just stand around complaining about the  management 🙂

44 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

 

Absolutely can say with conviction that 2020/2024 are nowhere near doing that either.

Euro Truck Simulator does it pretty well actually. Asobe should have just copied that template.

Atleast MSFS has the real scale of the world and Truck sim has a downscaled version of earth.. I also have driven real trucks in my life, and can tell you Truck simulator doesnt even come close to the real thing, with MSFS I dont know because I never flown a real plane… Truck Sim is a good game though…

  

54 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

Euro Truck Simulator does it pretty well actually. Asobe should have just copied that template.

I own and played both ETS and ATS and comparing those sims to MSFS is an absolute no go. Yes, it can be pretty hard to get your trailer parked properly but that has nothing to do with the sim itself: that's a user experience point of view. When it comes to the developer part creating a flight sim like MSFS is ABSOLUTELY something TOTALLY different and INCOMPARABLE.

ETS/ATS only have a fraction of the world 'simulated' (perhaps 2% or so? and it's not even realistic...!) while MSFS covers the entire globe. And MSFS looks a LOT better than ETS/ATS when it comes to weather, atmoshpere, clouds, you name it. Comparing ETS/ATS to MSFS it like comparing GTA5 to a side scrolling platformer from the nineties. Imho, of course.

BTW I absolutely LOVE ETS and ATS! 😉

Edited January 6, 20251 yr by mistolip

To at least attempt to steer this back on topic - can you drive up the Pacific Highway in Euro Truck Simulator? 😉

I laughed the other day when I interrupted my son who was playing American truck simulator in VR on his sim rig to come and help me adjust something on my flight sim rig.

Due to my interruption when he got back in his sim rig he set off for his destination then after a few miles down the road he realised he’d set off without his trailer attached 😂

15 hours ago, Fielder said:

Steam Store

 

Those are reviews accumulated after 4 years though for MSFS 2020.  I would love to go back in time and see the review scores 1.5 months after MSFS 2020's release.  Because I was there for MSFS 2020's release and it was a mess, in some ways worse than MSFS 2024.  The first few days of MSFS 2024 were worse than MSFS 2020 in that people couldn't download the game and couldn't login.  But after the first week, those issues were resolved.

1.5 months after MSFS 2020's release, there were still constant CTDs in Free Flight. For MSFS 2024, I'm not hearing of widespread CTDs during Free Flight, the bugs are mostly for the Career Mode.  Hence, MSFS 2020 was probably in a worse state 1.5 months after release, compared to 1.5 months after MSFS 2024's release.

If I were to guess, the reviews on Steam 1.5 months after MSFS 2020's release probably wasn't that great either.

Edited January 6, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

18 minutes ago, jon b said:

You should try walking into a real airline crew room, no one is talking about those things either , we just stand around complaining about the  management 🙂

I used to do specialized work (networks). I love the job. But I refused to do anything related to computers or talk about it on my free time eg. at home with friends or family.  Why?  Because it was unpaid work on my free time. 🙂

EDIT: That scale bottom right is wrong. 2008 displays as 2020/2024 on Steam tooltip.

EDIT again: I'm a WNA. That's DATE not year lmao (recent reviews).

https://imgur.com/gallery/reviews-of-msfs-2020-vs-2024-from-release-date-D24RR7X

Took me about 2 mins to get this. 

Edited January 6, 20251 yr by sloppysmusic

All I'm going to say is try backing up a B-train.

 

I watched a guy back out a B-train through a narrow parking lot, in between the cars. Out between the ditch on both sides doing a sharp 90 deg. straightening out on the road. Into 3rd or 4th and off he went.

 

The location was the Home Hardware in Scotch Creek B.C. on beautiful Shuswap lake. 

 

With my thumbs up out the window and my full admiration 🙂

Omg, yeah, b-train is a nightmare to back, could never hack it:p.(think my record was 2meters). Semi’s was a lot more fun and easy. When I was in truck driving school the teachers told us that 80% of proffesional truck drivers never learned howto back a b-train. They just circumvent it by trying to avoid backing…

Edited January 6, 20251 yr by Kaboki

18 hours ago, Fielder said:

My 2020 msfs was with steam. My cdkeys 2024 Aviators was Xbox store, not Steam. When I used the key at Xbox store, it installed and a popup came up from MS saying that they recognized by gamertag and everything that I had purchased from the Steam 2020 marketplace would carry over to 2024 Xbox edition (cdkeys). And they all did, no problem.

Good for you, I’m still waiting for my 2020 marketplace content.

Steam PD 2020 to Steam PD 2024 ☹️