3 hours ago, Huascar said:

As I noted earlier, I took a three year break from MSFS because of the constant headaches. I simply couldn’t tolerate the never ending troubleshooting. 

I would have joined you if there were constant headaches and never-ending troubleshooting but that has never been the case for me and most of that was before I built my latest build in spring 2024.  This begs the ginormous question:  why is your experience replete with headaches and constant troubleshooting so drastically different from mine and it most certainly was?  And despite your reference other people's issues it seems the vast majority on Avsim don't fit your experience.  Referring again to 2020 as I haven't installed 2024 yet and won't for a month or two.  When I look at your experience I have to conclude a great deal must have been on your end:  issues w/ bandwidth, PC hardware and config, issues w/ OS, drivers, etc.   In fact, to me your testimony of quitting 3y ago gives me the impression when you ran into headaches and constant troubleshooting you spent more time looking for evidence of issues brought up by others on the MSFS forum for example.  Ask yourself:  why did you have constant headaches and troubleshooting needs when so many others didn't?  What is the difference?  Can't be the sim itself as we're all using the same sim.

Edited January 5, 20251 yr by Noel

No stutterfest here either, quite the opposite. If 2020 was this good I would never have left it behind. I never took Bob to be the whining, moaning minnie type but I guess we have learnt quite a lot about people here over the last few months. Shame. 

1 hour ago, bobcat999 said:

You should see by now that if you raise any valid complaints against this sim, the evangelists will try to shoot you down by saying you are a negative person

Yes, I have noticed it. To them, all is perfect. But why are there so many posts reporting all kinds of issues with 2020 and 2024? Why are the online reviews, especially 2024, so pathetically low? But being positive means to live in a world of denial.

6 minutes ago, Huascar said:

But why are there so many posts reporting all kinds of issues with 2020 and 2024?

Probably because most people only post something online when things are going bad... While most others are enjoying things in sweet and peaceful silence. 

21 minutes ago, Huascar said:

Yes, I have noticed it. To them, all is perfect. But why are there so many posts reporting all kinds of issues with 2020 and 2024? Why are the online reviews, especially 2024, so pathetically low? But being positive means to live in a world of denial.

Nobody says things are perfect, because nothing can ever be perfect. But we are quite happy with what we got and can look through some issues, because this is the best there is out there. If I couldn’t see through the imperfection, I would have left this hobby years ago… 

Don’t really know why so many hates 2024, because for me Its the best experience I had to this day in a flightsim. Not really having any gamebreaking issues, I have a few minor issues, yes, but I can work around them like I have with all previous sims before it.

Why are you even in this forum? You dont seem to enjoy simming because your perfection stands in the way. Why dont you find a hobby you will enjoy, instead of suffering and waste your time on something that will never ever meet your standard? 
 

God, why do I even bother, maybe im bored:p. Also I get a slight feeling of being trolled, maybe, dunno, just a feeling….

 

Edited January 5, 20251 yr by Kaboki

2 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

@Huascar  You should see by now that if you raise any valid complaints against this sim, the evangelists will try to shoot you down by saying you are a negative person (and even try to psycho-analyse you like it is your problem), and then try to prove you wrong by posting up a pretty picture here and there.  

It's a joke, but would probably be quite offensive if you actually took any real notice of them.  Their only real weapon to try to mute you is to call you a whinger or a moaning minnie.  I have seen it all before and have filled many bingo cards with their usual comments.  

How can you take any positivity out of trying to deal with a stutterfest for heavens sake?  Some people just like to delude themselves because they can't take the fact that they have paid good money for an incomplete and buggy product, and certainly not sold as was implied to us.  But hey!  Cheer up and be positive, glass half full!  Look at the pretty pictures - That will solve it. 

I can't account for @Huascar's sim issues.

Mine is remarkably consistent and stable, and that's been my experience for many years with both versions.

And TBH, all of the sims I run are very stable and consistent. Some worse than others (looking at YOU, Prepar3D!), but all eminently playable. 

And I have an old rig connected over wireless to a shared cable modem, so I'd expect any fundamental sim issues to be amplified by my less powerful hardware and mediocre end to end network.

But I'm also one of those guys who rarely has computer problems of any sort, at work or at home. And, NO, I don't spend any time tweaking settings or anything. I just run a clean machine with a minimum of mods and conservative settings.

My free time is extremely limited, and because I work in technology  all day every day, I have little to no patience for misbehaving entertainment technology of any sort. Id rather read a book than spend my free time fighting stupid computer problems.

So, no, there's utterly NO "self delusion" going on here.

And for you to suggest calling a spade a spade is equivalent to "muting" someone is laughably ironic, considering you e just "diagnosed" all of us with mental problems. 🤣

@Huascar is free to post his opinions, and others are free to post their response and own opinions.

That's the great thing about public forums - we all have a voice.

I flew out of KSFO 27R and towards the bay and bridges and around the bay area coast line down low about 1000 ft. All was beautiful, much better scenery than 2020 (higher resolution, I think Asobo says 40 times more dense). The lower you fly the more you can see this difference. No spikes in the cpu or sound popping. The distant scenery did not pop into view when approaching, it was constant, fluid, nice. I have to force myself to go back and fly in 2020, it just isn't as fluid, nice, scenery wise. GA small planes. The handling is more fluid and realistic, but controlling the plane is easier, no constant adjusting the vertical trim as required in 2020.

The Bay Area is very scenic.

 

2 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

@Huascar  You should see by now that if you raise any valid complaints against this sim, the evangelists will try to shoot you down by saying you are a negative person (and even try to psycho-analyse you like it is your problem), and then try to prove you wrong by posting up a pretty picture here and there. 

Everyone can cite 'valid complaints' and we all do at one point or another.  But you and Huascar are missing the giant elephant in the room:  WHY is it that so many here don't experience 'constant headaches and troubleshooting' leading to the need to 'leave the sim 3y ago' and yet we're all using the same sim.  This points to something other than the sim and I'm referring to 2020 as that's all I'm currently familiar with, as a source of this massive disparity.  Perhaps Huascar doesn't have a lot of technical expertise?  Bum hardware?  Etc etc.

As well Huascar lives in another world in terms of perception, or his image quality is just flat out low end due to technical issues.  He calls low LOD at >10mi a defect, whereas many see it for what it is:  a place to dial back demand so some of those resources can go into fabulously gorgeous and functional planes, and awesome 'pretty pictures' you see all over MSFS 2020.

And now we have someone who left MSFS 3y ago then jumps right into 2024?  That in itself is hard to explain.  

Edited January 5, 20251 yr by Noel

12 minutes ago, Fielder said:

The Bay Area is very scenic.

Yes, indeed. And here is something for the tube fliers. Today I made my first long range flight OMAA-LSZH. I expected bad weather and visibility for the approach in the dusk, but was surprised to see this:

How somebody could say, that this is just an update over MSFS 2020?

1 hour ago, Huascar said:

Yes, I have noticed it. To them, all is perfect.

But they are not evangelists, as they are disparagingly being called by the usual suspects. If they are, isn't everyone in these forums constantly repeating how bad MSFS 2024 is an evangelist as well? And no, not all is perfect to them. They, if I may be so free to speak for them, choose to focus their intention to the good parts of this troubled release.

1 hour ago, Huascar said:

being positive means to live in a world of denial.

As much as being negative; you're just denying different things.

2 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

@Huascar  You should see by now that if you raise any valid complaints against this sim, the evangelists will try to shoot you down by saying you are a negative person (and even try to psycho-analyse you like it is your problem), and then try to prove you wrong by posting up a pretty picture here and there.  

It's a joke, but would probably be quite offensive if you actually took any real notice of them.  Their only real weapon to try to mute you is to call you a whinger or a moaning minnie.  I have seen it all before and have filled many bingo cards with their usual comments.  

How can you take any positivity out of trying to deal with a stutterfest for heavens sake?  Some people just like to delude themselves because they can't take the fact that they have paid good money for an incomplete and buggy product, and certainly not sold as was implied to us.  But hey!  Cheer up and be positive, glass half full!  Look at the pretty pictures - That will solve it. 

I guess you throw stone to my side  LOL OK! 

While MSFS 20204 is mixed bag just like 2020 it runs stutter free smooth like a silk for me especially after last patch. I don't use broken career or half bake ATC that neither better nor worse than in 2020. Like in previous sim I use Neofly and APL2 are my primary focus. In my reality I see exactly what  I see from cockpit of real aircraft, and this is amazing . I have no idea what is a deal about 10! LOL So  I posted screenshot because I don't stutters  or blurry pictures! And yes it's amazing to pull on a beach along SoCal cost walked out of airplane and  see awesome graphics! I can do something in sim what I can't do IRL and that is amazing!

It's probably not a secret that flight simming is expensive hobby! I had to spent a lot of money to buy my simming PC. I also have to pay to fast internet to have 2024 run smoothly as well. In fact, upgrading my simming computer constantly is must routine for the past 40 years. Still my sim hobby  expenses  is a drop in ocean comparing with my real aircraft ownership!  

Constant complaining doesn't help at all! I know for that fact that  that if my 2024 can run smoothly so it your. You know what is difference? Stay positive and look for a solution. I could have complained page after page on this forum. Instead of  I flew with several student after my main job for several months so I can afford a decent computer and decent internet speed - so no "blurries" no stutters. 

  Depside that sarcastic post of your I will keep posting pretty picture because I can, and because 2024 run fine for me! I'm staying positive that Aosbo will eventually fix all bugs. Yes there a lot in different aircraft broken but Grumman is one if few lucky exceptions where pretty much everything works fine.  So I will enjoy it! 

Someone was happy when they started this topic. 

I really, truly miss talking about the flying itself. 

The technique. The planes. The plans. The routes. The approaches. 

I miss it all so much. 

Steam Store

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Huascar said:

Yes, I have noticed it. To them, all is perfect.

Now you're smacking of garden variety trolling as that comment right there is absolute nonsense no one has ever implied anything about perfect anywhere anytime.  In fact looking deep into all of your commentary so far I've gone from somewhat sympathetic to your plight to believing you're likely doing this in order to get a rise out of Avsim users.  You get a gold star for that, and zero sympathies going forward.  IOW, I don't believe much of anything you're saying any more about your experiences.  That being the case have the last word you're officially on my ignore list henceforth.

 

5 minutes ago, Fielder said:

Steam Store

Your point being?