On 1/3/2025 at 1:09 PM, Huascar said:

I still fly but you won’t hear me say MSFS is amazing because it is not. Maybe my standards are too high and I am less tolerant of these issues. 

Yes as you've noted elsewhere perception is subjective--truly 100% subjective.  And perception is greatly influenced by historical & personal experience context, our own physiology and perhaps our general orientation to life.  Does one lean towards 'seeing' the positive, or is one generally focused on what's wrong?  Some of us will 'see' the deficits, whereas others may celebrate the positives, and MSFS has a giant raft of positives.  How we use the sim will also hugely affect what we look for and see.  These elements and much more influence our perceptions.   What do we use the sim for?  I use Self Loading Cargo which IMO is a masterpiece of creativity and it has a ways to go but I fully appreciate the effort and work done by the Dev to get it to where it is today.   Both SLC and A Pilot's Life have scoring components and that is better than half the reason I use them.  It keeps me focused on good piloting and flight crew management, remedial as it would be vis a vis the RW, but it's a great start.  So looking out past 10mi and letting this 'ruin immersion' could not happen here.  And anyway, as said it's fairly realistic versus RW flying.   The screenshots I shared on your other thread were fine examples of flat out amazing, heretofore unknown quality of scenery in a desktop simulator.  Absolutely mind blowing coming from P3D.  Of course we will celebrate big improvements in detail but that is massively dependent on computing power, hard and soft.  My biggest wish would be for photo-real quality cloud morphology depiction, but it's not going to happen perhaps in my lifetime and that is just a consequence of the computing power to get there.  Same same for very detailed textures.  So my belief is that MS/Asobo is doing about as good as can be done in terms of detail and complexity relative to the hardware.   They have to consider the very big picture in all of their development decisions.

With re to MSFS, I jumped in on Day 1 in Aug 2020, and started with flight simming decades previously with regular sim use.  I'm nearly as amazed today, and that would be nearly blown away, as I was during the first months of using MSFS--it's literally enough to get me out of bed very early just to get in more time w/o interruption.  Some of this comes from a sense of appreciation for what it takes to get something so complex pumped into my playroom thru myriad trace routes, with code that isn't always perfectly fault tolerant, and yet I have over 5K hours now in MSFS and while it's got its shortcomings it's hugely capable in so many ways and it's been the relatively rare time when it wasn't working flawlessly.   I'm comparing to what I know which was FSX/P3D and a short look into XP12.   I see it as immensely and amazingly capable as a flight sim, that is for what I look for in a flight sim.  

I do feel for people who have a hard time seeing the forest because of a few dead trees.  It does not sound like a good place to spend time in but I also appreciate it's not by choice, it's just how one is wired, not that perception is locked in forever.  Good luck perhaps it's time to say bye to flight simming and do something else more satisfying to your short time on our planet.   

Edited January 5, 20251 yr by Noel

6 hours ago, Noel said:

I do feel for people who have a hard time seeing the forest because of a few dead trees.  It does not sound like a good place to spend time in but I also appreciate it's not by choice, it's just how one is wired, not that perception is locked in forever.  Good luck perhaps it's time to say bye to flight simming and do something else more satisfying to your short time on our planet.  

Well said. It's that time of the year that we should remind ourselves that we always, ALWAYS have a choice.

I don't know but feel psycho-analysis of other's personality in a gaming forum is perhaps going a bit far?

I know which one I feel like with my first day back to work coming up tomorrow

1 hour ago, bofhlusr said:

Well said. It's that time of the year that we should remind ourselves that we always, ALWAYS have a choice.

Mine's the drivers seat. I like to control my own day /destiny 💺😉😁

Come on, I don't even see tire marks from the bus driver drifting around the corner...  What a boring bus ride LOL 

On 1/2/2025 at 5:21 AM, Sethos said:

Careful abrams, no 2024 positivity, it attracts them.

🤣

Edited January 5, 20251 yr by HiFlyer

16 hours ago, Noel said:

Yes as you've noted elsewhere perception is subjective--truly 100% subjective.  And perception is greatly influenced by historical & personal experience context, our own physiology and perhaps our general orientation to life.  Does one lean towards 'seeing' the positive, or is one generally focused on what's wrong?  Some of us will 'see' the deficits, whereas others may celebrate the positives, and MSFS has a giant raft of positives.  How we use the sim will also hugely affect what we look for and see.  These elements and much more influence our perceptions.   What do we use the sim for?  I use Self Loading Cargo which IMO is a masterpiece of creativity and it has a ways to go but I fully appreciate the effort and work done by the Dev to get it to where it is today.   Both SLC and A Pilot's Life have scoring components and that is better than half the reason I use them.  It keeps me focused on good piloting and flight crew management, remedial as it would be vis a vis the RW, but it's a great start.  So looking out past 10mi and letting this 'ruin immersion' could not happen here.  And anyway, as said it's fairly realistic versus RW flying.   The screenshots I shared on your other thread were fine examples of flat out amazing, heretofore unknown quality of scenery in a desktop simulator.  Absolutely mind blowing coming from P3D.  Of course we will celebrate big improvements in detail but that is massively dependent on computing power, hard and soft.  My biggest wish would be for photo-real quality cloud morphology depiction, but it's not going to happen perhaps in my lifetime and that is just a consequence of the computing power to get there.  Same same for very detailed textures.  So my belief is that MS/Asobo is doing about as good as can be done in terms of detail and complexity relative to the hardware.   They have to consider the very big picture in all of their development decisions.

With re to MSFS, I jumped in on Day 1 in Aug 2020, and started with flight simming decades previously with regular sim use.  I'm nearly as amazed today, and that would be nearly blown away, as I was during the first months of using MSFS--it's literally enough to get me out of bed very early just to get in more time w/o interruption.  Some of this comes from a sense of appreciation for what it takes to get something so complex pumped into my playroom thru myriad trace routes, with code that isn't always perfectly fault tolerant, and yet I have over 5K hours now in MSFS and while it's got its shortcomings it's hugely capable in so many ways and it's been the relatively rare time when it wasn't working flawlessly.   I'm comparing to what I know which was FSX/P3D and a short look into XP12.   I see it as immensely and amazingly capable as a flight sim, that is for what I look for in a flight sim.  

I do feel for people who have a hard time seeing the forest because of a few dead trees.  It does not sound like a good place to spend time in but I also appreciate it's not by choice, it's just how one is wired, not that perception is locked in forever.  Good luck perhaps it's time to say bye to flight simming and do something else more satisfying to your short time on our planet.   

My perception of MSFS is based on personal experience and visual observation. 

 

Of course I see the positive aspects of both FS 2020 and 2024, but I can’t say they’re amazing because it isn’t what I feel.  Both sims are plagued with issues (not my perception, but reality). All you have to do is read the posts to figure out these games have significant problems. 

 

Did you know I woke this morning to a stutter fest? I didn’t make any tweaks or had any updates. It was working smoothly, and boom, all of the sudden, unplayable sim. 
 

I am glad to see you’re passionate about MSFS, and that you’re not deterred by all the issues. I suppose I am less tolerant of bad graphics and tech issues.  By the way, it isn’t just me saying this, just read the reviews of people who have purchased 2024. 

As I noted earlier, I took a three year break from MSFS because of the constant headaches. I simply couldn’t tolerate the never ending troubleshooting. 
 

let close by saying I do commend your motivation. 

Edited January 5, 20251 yr by Huascar

Can a mod rename this thread to «Huascar dissatisfaction with MSFS». Would fit better with the content….

@Huascar  You should see by now that if you raise any valid complaints against this sim, the evangelists will try to shoot you down by saying you are a negative person (and even try to psycho-analyse you like it is your problem), and then try to prove you wrong by posting up a pretty picture here and there.  

It's a joke, but would probably be quite offensive if you actually took any real notice of them.  Their only real weapon to try to mute you is to call you a whinger or a moaning minnie.  I have seen it all before and have filled many bingo cards with their usual comments.  

How can you take any positivity out of trying to deal with a stutterfest for heavens sake?  Some people just like to delude themselves because they can't take the fact that they have paid good money for an incomplete and buggy product, and certainly not sold as was implied to us.  But hey!  Cheer up and be positive, glass half full!  Look at the pretty pictures - That will solve it. 

8 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

 

How can you take any positivity out of trying to deal with a stutterfest for heavens sake?  

?

Er....I really hate to say this but I don't have any 'stutterfest'.

Should I be worried?

No stutters here, either, and I run everything on medium/high settings. Cockpit refresh rate set to high. AI traffic via FSTL and Beyond ATC. This on a 1440p monitor. 

...and I'm only running a 3060TI.

I'm not worried. I'm enjoying the sim. 😀

15 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

?

Er....I really hate to say this but I don't have any 'stutterfest'.

Should I be worried?

Wasn't there a poll about this?.....

52 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

You should see by now that if you raise any valid complaints against this sim, the evangelists will try to shoot you down by saying you are a negative person (and even try to psycho-analyse you like it is your problem), and then try to prove you wrong by posting up a pretty picture here and there.  

It's a joke, but would probably be quite offensive if you actually took any real notice of them.  Their only real weapon to try to mute you is to call you a whinger or a moaning minnie.  I have seen it all before and have filled many bingo cards with their usual comments.  

How can you take any positivity out of trying to deal with a stutterfest for heavens sake?  Some people just like to delude themselves because they can't take the fact that they have paid good money for an incomplete and buggy product, and certainly not sold as was implied to us.  But hey!  Cheer up and be positive, glass half full!  Look at the pretty pictures - That will solve it. 

Oh please...