2 hours ago, FBW737 said:

This reminds me of FSX. The hardware to run it hasn't been invented yet.

That is not my experience with 2024..  It does take advantage of modern multi-core CPUs and powerful GPUs.   Better than 2020 on my system. 🙂

Quite. This is the first sim I haven't had to upgrade for. 

I did not have to upgrade my 2015 specification PC for MSFS 2020. In fact, the latter runs considerably better than P3D ever did.

9 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

That is not my experience with 2024..  It does take advantage of modern multi-core CPUs and powerful GPUs.   Better than 2020 on my system. 🙂

And that is true also for most of us. Even without the AutoFPS app ( don't have it installed now) 2024 runs a lot smoother with higher settings. It does look and perform a lot better....when it works. But, it seems like some of us are plagued with issues. Again, even in my default state I have still have issues keeping settings.  2024 worked well for me the first week. Then it was on/off again since release. Default plane not loading? Chocks unable to be removed because they're invisible? Basic settings changed and/or deleted? Still getting 97% loading bug? Etc.

I love this hobby but this is just ridiculous. Thank goodness for other hobbies. 2020 works despite its shortcomings with performance and looks. At least my cabinet table saw works. My motorcycle needs the front brake switch to be cleaned out. And at least I have a Traxxas RC car that needs new bearings (incident including wet grass and skimming across a body of water. dont ask haha). So, there's that.

In short: Asobo/MS needs to fixate and fix every bug/nuance/quirk ASAP. Full stop.

50 minutes ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Exactly, they wanted the holiday dollars and they weren't ready for release.

No, I don't think that's the case at all.  They announced MSFS 2024 at the Flight Sim Expo in 2023.  The problem is, they limited themselves into releasing it in 2024 when they made that announcement.

Fast forward to the spring of 2024, and they announce that MSFS 2024 will be released in November of 2024. The fact that they announced the release so late in 2024, back in the spring of 2024, tells me they already knew they were behind on tasks.

If you think of it, when is the latest that they can release in 2024? November 19th is about the latest that they can release it in 2024, because they need a few weeks to deploy patches to fix problems before the employees go on their Christmas break, which is exactly what happened.

It was never about the holiday dollars. It's obvious they limited themselves by calling it MSFS 2024 back at the flight sim expo in 2023.  They probably should have just called it MSFS 2, or something like that. Then they could have delayed the release until 2025 (and for people wondering why they can't just rename it to MSFS 2025, that's not a good idea from a branding and marketing perspective - renaming a product where the year is in the product's name, ultimately wastes their advertising budget and causes branding issues/confusion).

Edited January 6, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

2 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

 

It was never about the holiday dollars. It's obvious they pigeon holed themselves by calling it MSFS 2024 back at the flight sim expo in 2023.  They probably should have just called it MSFS 2, or something like that. Then they could have delayed the release until 2025 (and for people wondering why they can't just rename it to MSFS 2025, that's not a good idea from a branding and marketing perspective - renaming a product where the year is in the product's name, ultimately wastes their advertising budget and causes branding issues/confusion).

Well the branding and marketing won't cure the fact that many users think 2024  is a disaster, and have gone back to 2020. 

2 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Well the branding and marketing won't cure the fact that many users think 2024  is a disaster, and have gone back to 2020. 

Yes. Obviously, if Jorg could rewind the time, he would have called in MSFS 2025 back in 2023, and just released it in 2025.  Their premature release in 2024 probably did more damage to their revenue and profit, than helped it.

But we can't go back in time, can we? However, we can move forward. Despite all the bugs, especially the bugs in Career Mode, MSFS 2024 is still usable for me and I enjoy it very much. 

Edited January 6, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

It doesn't really matter what they did anymore as what's done is done, the thing is what are they going to do about it going forward and have they actually learnt from this blatant error. 

It'll be interesting to see if we get more patches to fix the most obvious issues in the next week or so, or if we'll have to hang in and wait for the first Sim Update. Which in itself needs a thorough beta period of the likes they've never done before, because the ones in the past have been pretty poor themselves.

All eyes on them, let's see what happens.

Be a lot easier to list what is working 🙂 hopefully they sort it out but that will be a long time probably  

I'll replace "I think" with "I hope"

 

I hope that FS2024 has all the hooks and levers in the sdk for 3rd parties to really make it shine.

 

Just like almost all the versions before.

 I think MSFS 2024 is a stunning sim. Sure, there are bugs, but, overall, it's a very satisfying experience. I kind of feel sorry for all the folks who are only fixated on the negative. 

10 minutes ago, Richard Sennett said:

Be a lot easier to list what is working 🙂 hopefully they sort it out but that will be a long time probably  

Free Flight with a plane that is compatible with MSFS 2024 and a well made plane is fine. For example, the Fenix and default Cessna 172 G1000.

A poorly made plane though will give you a bad time in MSFS 2024 Free Flight, such as the PC-24. But that is no different than MSFS 2020 if you use a poorly made plane.

Edited January 6, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

34 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

It was never about the holiday dollars. It's obvious they limited themselves by calling it MSFS 2024 back at the flight sim expo in 2023.  They probably should have just called it MSFS 2, or something like that. Then they could have delayed the release until 2025 (and for people wondering why they can't just rename it to MSFS 2025, that's not a good idea from a branding and marketing perspective - renaming a product where the year is in the product's name, ultimately wastes their advertising budget and causes branding issues/confusion).

I am not convinced that Microsoft had no interest whatsoever in the "holiday dollars". Business executives would have been drooling at the thought of all those sales on the run up to Christmas. The fact that they called it MSFS 2024 gave them very little flexibility if/when development started to fall behind schedule, but something tells me that making sure that the product was fully functional and bug free at release was not top of the list during those Microsoft management meetings

49 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Well the branding and marketing won't cure the fact that many users think 2024  is a disaster, and have gone back to 2020. 

Yeah, me too. 2020 has its own set of issues but at least mine is stable and for the most part smooth. Oh, and it keeps my settings.

23 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

 I think MSFS 2024 is a stunning sim. Sure, there are bugs, but, overall, it's a very satisfying experience. I kind of feel sorry for all the folks who are only fixated on the negative. 

yeah, we probably are being negative about it. But when all you want to do is hop on and fly, then to find out that your settings all gone/changed etc. It really detracts from the experience. Having to change out and fix that, even when it saves, can take a while. Just to have it deleted. Again, some don't have that issue.

46 minutes ago, MarcG said:

It doesn't really matter what they did anymore as what's done is done, the thing is what are they going to do about it going forward and have they actually learnt from this blatant error. 

It'll be interesting to see if we get more patches to fix the most obvious issues in the next week or so, or if we'll have to hang in and wait for the first Sim Update. Which in itself needs a thorough beta period of the likes they've never done before, because the ones in the past have been pretty poor themselves.

All eyes on them, let's see what happens.

Yes, unfortunately we have been waiting for a while.

For a new sim that yet has to have its first serious patch I think MSFS2024 is pretty good. I have to add though I have only flown the Vision Jet (and recently the Joby) in Free flight mode... so I haven't touched much of the sim yet (and probably never will because career modes and missions aren't my thing at all).

In the end your views on MSFS2024 depend a lot on how you use the sim and what's important to you: I guess I've been lucky. The ONLY problem I have is that I have to enable the profile for my Logitech joystick every time I start MSFS2024... luckily I can do this easily while the door of my VJ is opening so... not a real problem.

Besides that, MSFS2024 runs great on my >3 year old system, just as good as MSFS2020 and probably better considering the better graphics (I run the sim at High for most settings). No stutters (probably also due to my official GSync monitor), no lost settings... all is good here. I planned to buy a new system for MSFS2024 but I am rethinking that plan...!

I do feel sorry for (all) those people who are having problems with MSFS2024... I can imagine how much that sucks. I do hope the upcoming big patch will solve a lot of problems.