On 1/6/2025 at 1:31 PM, Christopher Low said:

I am not convinced that Microsoft had no interest whatsoever in the "holiday dollars". Business executives would have been drooling at the thought of all those sales on the run up to Christmas. The fact that they called it MSFS 2024 gave them very little flexibility if/when development started to fall behind schedule, but something tells me that making sure that the product was fully functional and bug free at release was not top of the list during those Microsoft management meetings

No doubt in my mind they wanted the holiday dollars and decided to release and fix as they went along. I don't think they understood the blowback it would /has caused and how it will eventually effect their bottom line.

They most definitely lost money! I alone refunded the premium deluxe package and if I go back, it will be for the standard version. They should of posted a notice and delayed release, but the holiday dollars are big, big big, it's very hard to resist getting a piece of that pie once a year!

 

59 minutes ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

No doubt in my mind they wanted the holiday dollars and decided to release and fix as they went along. I don't think they understood the blowback it would /has caused and how it will eventually effect their bottom line.

They most definitely lost money! I alone refunded the premium deluxe package and if I go back, it will be for the standard version. They should of posted a notice and delayed release, but the holiday dollars are big, big big, it's very hard to resist getting a piece of that pie once a year!

 

Mike,

Like you I only use MSFS2024 for the scenery.  The clouds and scenery are OK without any issues with downloads from the cloud.  I don't use any AI objects and add-on aircraft or add-on scenery.   It has been in my system a little over a week.  So far it is OK.  I did notice that KDFW and KJFK have been cleaned up.  It is smooth without any crashes so far.  

A really annoying issue is that if I save a new default cockpit view in one plane, then load any other plane, the default cockpit view is completely messed up. Restarting the sim fixes this - but yeah, annoying. 

I often wonder if anyone at Asobo / MS actually uses the simulator as their hobby like we do? It's worth a thought - I find it incredulous that some of the obvious flaws were not found by people using the simulator as it was intended, as opposed to during a 9-5 programming stint.

 

What Asobo did best with 2024 is to cheat us all out of our money 🤑🤑🤑🤑.

A few little trips to the grand canyon for YouTubers a few hooligans on Avsim and other networks and perfect plan.

Where that supposed advanced build that some of those who went to the grand canyon around here were saying?

14 hours ago, Rogen said:

Perhaps the list of developer logged bugs will be of reading interest...

https://devsupport.flightsimulator.com/tag/bug_logged

Cheers

That’s a crazy list, wow this is going to take years - again!

this just goes to show how unfinished 24 is, it’s actually hard to call it a Beta with that amount of issues.

 

In the first few days after release I mentioned the damage this may have on the brand, well unfortunately the damage is real - those user figures are absolutely dreadful and not sustainable imo.

there impatient may have killed the genre. 

3 minutes ago, hanhamreds said:

That’s a crazy list, wow this is going to take years - again!

this just goes to show how unfinished 24 is, it’s actually hard to call it a Beta with that amount of issues.

 

It's clearly an Apha, if it were a Beta, it would have been given to beta testers. 

2 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

It's clearly an Apha, if it were a Beta, it would have been given to beta testers. 

Certainly looks that way. 
 

 

16 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

It's clearly an Apha, if it were a Beta, it would have been given to beta testers. 

We were supposed to be the beta testers. But it was such a bad release that they had to admit it and gave us 4 free airplanes for our troubles. It's not about what went wrong with FS 2024, but what's wrong with some sim user that they chose to pay to be beta testers.

I don't begrudge them, because I know that the addiction is real.

17 minutes ago, hanhamreds said:

there impatient may have killed the genre

Imho the impatient are the ones who wrote MSFS2024 after one day or one try and didn't wait for a few updates. Their hasty reviews could have killed MSFS2024. 

Luckily nothing is killed here and certainly not the genre. Flight sims are more alive than ever! And MSFS2024 will proudly wear the crown within a year or so. If not sooner.

27 minutes ago, hanhamreds said:

there impatient may have killed the genre.

Oh, the humanity…

22 minutes ago, CFIJose said:

We were supposed to be the beta testers. But it was such a bad release that they had to admit it and gave us 4 free airplanes for our troubles. It's not about what went wrong with FS 2024, but what's wrong with some sim user that they chose to pay to be beta testers.

I don't begrudge them, because I know that the addiction is real.

How many sim users, 20-30 or maybe 1 or 2?

 

I'll chime in.
1) Not listing the last airport landed at when selecting a new flight. 
2) Not fixing the ability to feather twin engine props

Thats all I got. Aside from those two items, I'm loving it!

2 hours ago, FPVSteve said:

I often wonder if anyone at Asobo / MS actually uses the simulator as their hobby like we do? It's worth a thought - I find it incredulous that some of the obvious flaws were not found by people using the simulator as it was intended, as opposed to during a 9-5 programming stint.

Just posted at the official forum: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/lack-of-communication-from-microsoft-and-asobo/668340/863?