9 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I bought 2020 when I got my new PC, Jan 2021, 5 months after it was released. And I read reviews first.  😉

I see. After five months the reviews were a lot more positive than right after release of course.

Negativity is well spread on internet ( its not only on Flight Simulation community) as keeps the mind always busy with issues to be resolved. I never believed that the  main "enemy competitor"  of MSFS its going to be MSFS. At least its alone on its own league.

I am ultra satisfied with MSFS 2024 ( VFR/IFR ) and by far superior than 2020. This is of course my opinion, on my setup.

 

1 hour ago, Seth2021 said:

I am ultra satisfied with MSFS 2024 ( VFR/IFR ) and by far superior than 2020.

Exactly the same for me - but really no surprise at all seeing that we have almost identical hardware 🙂

 

8 hours ago, Mace said:

Well, it's funny to me, because a couple of years ago I was still on P3D, and he was one of the people saying I needed to quit P3D ("flies on rails" he said.  "Minecraft graphics" he said) and get with MSFS2020.   Now fast-forward to today, and he's the *opposite*(!) -- we should NOT be all-in for the new thing (MSFS2024) and instead stick with the old (2020) aka P3D using his comparison from back then.

I'm not gonna ignore him, I like him.  I guess I don't take this stuff seriously enough to spurn someone over it, unless they would cuss me or troll me or something like that.  In a years time it'll all calm down anyway.  This unfolding exactly like 2020-21.

Lol, ok. have fun repeatedly reading the same narrative time after time, yet based on nothing other than what said person thinks, as he does not even have the sim. 

23 hours ago, LGKR said:

I have MSFS2020 with Rex Accuseason and Rex Atmos.

Rex Accuseason gives me all the seasons and shorter/less trees.

Rex Atmos gives me white clouds (no more ash grey volcanic clouds).

MSFS2020 gives me a stutter free experience.

If I switch to MSFS024, what more will I get (apart from lower fps/stutter) ???? Not interested in career mode, only free flight/tubeliners.

If you are doing free flight and the plane you like to fly is compatible for MSFS 2024 and the plane inherently has few bug, MSFS 2024 is just the better sim. 
 

There is a small percentage of people having problems running MSFS 2024 but they are the minority. Most people enjoying MSFS 2024 probably aren’t on the forums to complain about it.  But yes, it’s true that some people are having problems at this point, but it’s likely a small percentage of users.

The plane you use is also very important. Free Flight in MSFS 2024 is acceptable and flyable right now.  But your experience in Free Flight will vary greatly. Some planes, like the default PC 24, are really buggy. Some other planes like the default 172 G1000 and the Fenix, fly generally well in MSFS 2024.  So your experience at this point for MSFS 2024 can be greatly affected by the plane you choose to fly. 

If you don’t like bugs, then stay away from Career Mode. I myself mostly enjoy Career Mode, but it is buggy sometimes. 

Edited January 14, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

My main "investment" in FS 2024 was the promisse of better flight dynamics.

In that area I am totally disappointed - it's just like FS 2020 with tiny update to the ground physics, but still far from beng able to properly model some details like taildragger or tricycle with castoring wheels, effects of x-wind without having to mak euse of a trick that effectively reduces the normal component of wind bellow a given ground speed, etc...

But it brought me enhanced scenerye detail, more stability and performance than I had with FS 2020, a much shorter footprint in terms of installation, although I just reinstalled FS 2024 3 times and all due to problems with the way it was installed and system updates - they were not uninstalls à lá UNINSTALLER 🙂

I also find default weather has more variety in clouds depiction.

I still look forward for what was talked about in some ASOSO videos regarding the new possibilities of the FDM, like multiple surfaces being used to fine tune the aerodynamics, but as I said, the flight dynamics are as bad as in FS 2020...

12 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I bought 2020 when I got my new PC, Jan 2021, 5 months after it was released. And I read reviews first.  😉

The first several months of MSFS 2020 were the worst. While people could generally download and login and play the first day of MSFS 2020, there were some people that had trouble downloading it.  But it wasn’t near as bad as MSFS 2024 on the first day.

But then MSFS 2020 was constantly CTDing, even without any add-ons being used. The stability was immensely higher after 5 months, about the time you got MSFS 2020.

If we put aside the first week of MSFS 2024 (which was a terrible first week, I’m not going to sugar coat it), 2 months into MSFS 2024, we’re in a much better spot than after 2 months of MSFS 2020.  MSFS 2024 Free Flight is generally stable if you have a well made compatible plane for it such as the default Cessna 172 G1000 or Fenix. The same couldn’t be said of MSFS 2020, 2 months after its release.

BTW, you missed the notorious peripherals bug in MSFS 2020 where certain peripherals caused and instant CTD before people even made it to the main menu on the initial load of MSFS 2020. After the first week of MSFS 2024, we have not had anything as severe as that peripherals CTD bug in the first few months of MSFS 2020.

31 minutes ago, jcomm said:

effects of x-wind without having to mak euse of a trick that effectively reduces the normal component of wind bellow a given ground speed, etc...

V1 Sim has debunked that claim in a stream. Are you sure you're using the same sim the rest of us are?

45 minutes ago, Krakin said:

V1 Sim has debunked that claim in a stream. Are you sure you're using the same sim the rest of us are?

I am actually using FS 2024 only, of the MSFS franchise.. 

And indeed I find that the flight dynamics are still just as in FS 2020, very basic, and ground physics although a bit better than in FS 2020 still far from good...

@Krakin, have you ever flown a real aircraft? Because you tend to rise over any oppinions given that appear not to claim how great FS 202# is, as if you had real world experience to base your oppinion on, or at leat some sound knowledge about aerodynamics and it's modelling in flight simulation?

Yes I know some rw pilots praise the flight model in FS 2024... Well, I don't, sorry... 

I like FS 2024 and use it with FENIX 320 and BATC, Real Turb v2 and ASFS, but that's the only use I give to it... It's my World Airbus 320 CEO Simulator...

Edited January 14, 20251 yr by jcomm

6 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Makes sense, it’s a pity you don’t get better performance. Even though I like 2024 a lot, I guess airliner flights are not that different to 2020. I miss the iFly MAX though!

They are not and as you stated, if your favorite airliner or add-ons is not fully compatible, then it makes no sense to me to switch. I only tried MSFS 2024 the first week it was released. It should perform better if I try it today.

BTW, I was not as impressed by the visuals. I saw blurry scenery, clouds looked washed out, and the night lighting was horrid. If the sim is improved, the new planner and terrain are worth the upgrade price for a stable sim. For now is MSFS2020 100%.

23 minutes ago, CFIJose said:

With such easy access to a free on-line education, I often wonder why some people remain so darn word not allowed! 😀

Rolling stone, na person push am…

33 minutes ago, jcomm said:

Yes I know some rw pilots praise the flight model in FS 2024... Well, I don't, sorry...

Well that's great, thanks for taking the opportunity to repeat your opinion that you seem eager to repeat where ever and whenever possible 🙂 .. given that, I'll also use the opportunity to repeat just how much I like the flight dynamics improvements in 2024 over 2020, and especially the ground handling physics which show very noteable improvements.

And your input as an IRL glider pilot is well noted, so thanks.. but I'll look to the various IRL pilots of the A320s, Cessnas, and other birds who chimed in on this thread (and those are not just "some" rw pilots as you'd like to cast it, I'd say that's way more than "some" and more like "lots"): https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/654326-msfs-2024-flight-dynamics-and-groundwater-handling-thread/

 

Edited January 14, 20251 yr by lwt1971

1 hour ago, CFIJose said:

If the sim is improved

no 'if' about it.

1 hour ago, jcomm said:

And indeed I find that the flight dynamics are still just as in FS 2020,

Nah, I can’t take that idea seriously at all. The differences are obvious, even to a guy like me who’s never set foot in a Cessna.

2 hours ago, jcomm said:

My main "investment" in FS 2024 was the promisse of better flight dynamics.

In that area I am totally disappointed - it's just like FS 2020 with tiny update to the ground physics, but still far from beng able to properly model some details like taildragger or tricycle with castoring wheels, effects of x-wind without having to mak euse of a trick that effectively reduces the normal component of wind bellow a given ground speed, etc...

But it brought me enhanced scenerye detail, more stability and performance than I had with FS 2020, a much shorter footprint in terms of installation, although I just reinstalled FS 2024 3 times and all due to problems with the way it was installed and system updates - they were not uninstalls à lá UNINSTALLER 🙂

I also find default weather has more variety in clouds depiction.

I still look forward for what was talked about in some ASOSO videos regarding the new possibilities of the FDM, like multiple surfaces being used to fine tune the aerodynamics, but as I said, the flight dynamics are as bad as in FS 2020...

Thank you for your input, unlije others I'm able to appreciate all opinions on the fight model and not just "like" the ones that praise everything. It's valuable to gather feedback from across the board, just the same as Sim racing no two drivers feel the exact same and both will have varying opinions.