17 minutes ago, turbomax said:

you took the words right out of my mouth.

and that was exactly my impression after Joerg Neumann's first statements after the problematic release of MSFS 2024. it sounded more like an excuse than a proud announcement since he knew he would   disappoint many of his loyal fans this time around. back in 2024 he said he was sorry he couldn't attend several aviation and flight sim shows he was invited to because they were too busy with MSFS 2024. didn't exactly sound like a holiday for most of the year. considering the great sales figures, I am sure he got a nice bonus for MSFS 2020 at least. and the same will ultimately repeat for MSFS 2024.

I mentioned this before, but when they didn’t announce the release date in 2023, and then they announced the release date of November in early 2024, they knew they were behind schedule.  Mid November is the latest they can release it in 2024 because they need a few weeks of patches before the employees go on Christmas holiday, which is exactly what happened.

Some people have a weird theory that they announced the release date before Christmas holidays because they wanted the Christmas sales. Nah, I don’t think so, especially with a closed Marketplace. They just knew in early 2024 that they were behind schedule already.

Having said that, I don’t mind that they released it prematurely because they did the same with MSFS 2020, lol!

In the end, I saw the leap in technology on MSFS 2020 when they released it, and I knew they would clean up the major bugs within a year, which they more or less did.  And I was confident that within a few years after MSFS 2020’s release, it would be the best civilian flight sim ever made, which it was by SU 15.

Similarly, I am confident they will iron out the major bugs for MSFS 2024 within a year. And history will repeat, and MSFS 2024 will become the best civilian flight sim ever made.

From a feature set viewpoint, you can see the potential of it. It’s just amazing when everything is working in MSFS 2024, especially in Free Flight.

The MSFS team can fix the bugs faster than the competition can catch up to MSFS 2024’s technology and feature set. I can wait a year for the major bugs in MSFS 2024 to be fixed, but I don’t want to wait over a decade for the competition to catch up to MSFS 2024.

Edited January 18, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

I don't disagree 2024 will get there. The issue I have is they had 2020 as a starting point yet managed to regress in so many ways!

27 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

Having said that, I don’t mind that they released it prematurely because they did the same with MSFS 2020

Hmm. The difference, as I see it, is that 2020 released to universal praise. 2024 not so much. How will the big brother gods at Microsoft react to all the negativity? And still, after two months, no marketplace to keep a revenue stream. Will MS tolerate this?

Edited January 18, 20251 yr by jarmstro

9 hours ago, LRBS said:

Thank you, gents. We have deleted all the profiles created on two different computers so far. On one, after restarting, all the profiles resurfaced as if nothing had been deleted.

Only after the second attempt, I was able to reset it to default. I think it's a nasty bug related to where and how things are stored or downloaded from the cloud. Even with only one new profile, the issue is still present.

I'm not rejecting the idea of some hardware or bios problems, but to be able to duplicate the same fault on two different computers (like in our specific case) is very questionable. We wait for the other guy to get home and check on his PC within a few days. I'm not convinced that it is PC-related, especially when the MSFS2020, P3D, and XP12 don't show any of these particular problems, such as hardware or bios issues, but only MSFS2024. Call me a hardhead, but I can't explain why only one software does it.

 

Anyhow, we/I express my gratitude for your help. THANK YOU!

Yes. I had this issue. It is a real PIA to get rid of.

The biggest problems start when you select the 2020 control profile. It seems like Asobo added some UI controls that we users can't normally modify from FS2020 in that profile. It caused my installation to replace the ESC key with joystick button 2. If I went into settings,  I had to pull the trigger on my joystick to save the changes.

Good news / Bad news. The good news is that it is easy to fix. The bad news is that you need to uninstall the sim, delete some files, re-install the sim, and then you need to start it for the 1st time after the re-install with your computer OFF the internet so that it doesn't restore the bad settings from the cloud. 

Here is the procedure. I copied it from a post on the MS forum, so if you want them from the OP, just search over there for it. 

Spoiler

Step 1: Enable Offline Mode (MS Store Version Only)

If you’re using the MS Store version, you need to make the game capable of running offline first. (For Steam users, this step might not be necessary, but again, I can’t confirm.)

Follow these steps to enable offline mode:

Open the Microsoft Store and click your profile image.
Go to Settings and turn Offline Permissions to ON.
Launch the game once to ensure it’s set up to run offline.

Step 2: Disconnect and Remove Cloud Data

Disconnect your PC from the internet.
Locate and delete the cloud save files.

For MS Store users, these files are typically located in:
C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.Limitless_8wekyb3d8bbwe\SystemAppData\wgs
For Steam users, the folder (if it exists) should be in a similar location under:
C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024\
and possibly \SystemAppData\wgs
(If someone with the Steam version can confirm this, it would be appreciated!)

Delete all the contents in the respective folder.

Step 3: Reconnect and Launch the Game

Launch the game while still offline. It should prompt you that an internet connection is required.
At this point, reconnect your internet.
The game should now restart and take you back to the initial setup screen.

 

13 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Hmm. The difference, as I see it, is that 2020 released to universal praise. 2024 not so much. How will the big brother gods at Microsoft react to all the negativity?

You must have a short memory or you weren't there at the launch of MSFS 2020. People also had download issues on the first day of MSFS 2020's release, although not a bad as MSFS 2024's first day.

Then MSFS 2020 would frequently CTD without any add-ons for several months after its release. Comparatively, MSFS 2024 Free Flight doesn't CTD near as much as 2020, after 2 months of release.

Then there was the infamous peripheral CTD bug where people with specific peripherals instantly CTDed before they reached the main menu screen. That was within the first 3 to 4  months of MSFS 2020's release.

It's crazy how some people like you try to rewrite history.  I was there for MSFS 2020's release and I can remember all the problems they had in the first few months.

Edited January 18, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

1 minute ago, abrams_tank said:

It's crazy how some people like you try to rewrite history.  I was there for MSFS 2020's release and I can remember all the problems they had in the first few months.

That wasn't my point. 2020 was a game changer and a new MS flight simulator. 2024 isn't. There is a different atmosphere surrounding the release of 2024. They needed to get it right.

Here's a prime example of some of you complaining for the sake of it. You'd think it would be common sense that the bug fix snapshot would not be representative of the full scope of the sim update but MS was still careful to make this very clear. Despite this, a bunch of you chose to ignore this and vigorously complain instead. Even after a few members clarified what was going on, you guys continued to ignore the facts. I'd suggest waiting for the patch notes before flying off the handle.

18 hours ago, OverTheEDJ said:

Nope, your reasoning doesn't "fly" here.

Clearly 2024 is not flyable for "many"; hence the refunds, many poor reviews, and issues discussed on the OF.

So if it works for many and not for many, how does your use of the word ignorance apply given all that you are not aware of (or don't know) as it relates to the experience for those with the issues? Do you have any solutions for them to somehow align their poor experience with your positive experience?

 

I was referring to your statement that 2024 isn't flyable. Such a statement means everybody which is clearly not factual. Many, like myself, are using 2024 successfully.

I am currently mirroring a flight by V1-simulations to gain knowledge of the Inibuilds A300-600. He is using 2024. A question was asked in chat asking if he would you go back to 2020. He said no, because despite the bugs, 2024 is too much of an upgrade to want to go back.

I'm 3 hours into a flight with zero negatives to report.  So your statement that 2024 isn't flyable is not correct, and warranted my comment.

Edited January 18, 20251 yr by MrBitstFlyer

4 hours ago, Farlis said:

It's dissappointing that developers also get holiday vacations, and not only the two days off they take in the U.S.

Back to the oars you bile slaves! 🙄

I work in an industry that doesn't take holidays off at all, let alone long vacations. I work with other people in industries where if they did that, it'd be chaos when they returned, at best. Millions of dollars in damages at worst.

I have no sympathy for somebody releasing a broken product, charging exorbitant prices for it and then being expected to stick around and fix it. I have disdain for people that release said broken product and then go on vacation. Particularly when the work required to fix it can be done from a nice cushy couch with a laptop.

I do software dev  for a living and at my company we usually take the last week of the year off. I can tell you if we released something for our costumers to use full of bugs, there would be no vacations. We have a responsability to our costumers, they pay us to deliver a working product.....

1 hour ago, Bond said:

I do software dev  for a living and at my company we usually take the last week of the year off. I can tell you if we released something for our costumers to use full of bugs, there would be no vacations. We have a responsability to our costumers, they pay us to deliver a working product.....

You can't say this any better. Too many excuses and enabling going on nowadays.

But, I'm old so, what do you expect.😉

20 hours ago, OverTheEDJ said:

Nope, your reasoning doesn't "fly" here.

Clearly 2024 is not flyable for "many"; hence the refunds, many poor reviews, and issues discussed on the OF.

So if it works for many and not for many, how does your use of the word ignorance apply given all that you are not aware of (or don't know) as it relates to the experience for those with the issues? Do you have any solutions for them to somehow align their poor experience with your positive experience?

 

 

2 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I was referring to your statement that 2024 isn't flyable. Such a statement means everybody which is clearly not factual. Many, like myself, are using 2024 successfully.

I am currently mirroring a flight by V1-simulations to gain knowledge of the Inibuilds A300-600. He is using 2024. A question was asked in chat asking if he would you go back to 2020. He said no, because despite the bugs, 2024 is too much of an upgrade to want to go back.

I'm 3 hours into a flight with zero negatives to report.  So your statement that 2024 isn't flyable is not correct, and warranted my comment.

Now you are misquoting people...but you are the one who introduced the term *gnorant

I said that 2024 isn't flyable for many. Many does not mean everybody.

Even the original poster whom you responded to earlier was speaking from his perspective about MSFS2024.

If it is "flyable" for you great, but you then come here to antagonize those who have problems and classify their statements as *gnorant, when you don't know their issues, and don't have solutions.

BTW....MSFS 2024 is "flyable" for me, but I recognize that not everyone has the same experience as they fly for different purposes, on different PC setups, using different aircraft, flying in different locations, at different times, from different time zones.

Given my somewhat positive experience with MSFS2024, I would not come here trying to antagonize those with problems. If I addressed them at all,  i would (at the very least) try to help them get the sim working for them. Think about trying that approach next time.

Edited January 18, 20251 yr by OverTheEDJ

4 hours ago, MDFlier said:

Yes. I had this issue. It is a real PIA to get rid of.

The biggest problems start when you select the 2020 control profile. It seems like Asobo added some UI controls that we users can't normally modify from FS2020 in that profile. It caused my installation to replace the ESC key with joystick button 2. If I went into settings,  I had to pull the trigger on my joystick to save the changes.

Good news / Bad news. The good news is that it is easy to fix. The bad news is that you need to uninstall the sim, delete some files, re-install the sim, and then you need to start it for the 1st time after the re-install with your computer OFF the internet so that it doesn't restore the bad settings from the cloud. 

Here is the procedure. I copied it from a post on the MS forum, so if you want them from the OP, just search over there for it. 

  Hide contents

Step 1: Enable Offline Mode (MS Store Version Only)

If you’re using the MS Store version, you need to make the game capable of running offline first. (For Steam users, this step might not be necessary, but again, I can’t confirm.)

Follow these steps to enable offline mode:

Open the Microsoft Store and click your profile image.
Go to Settings and turn Offline Permissions to ON.
Launch the game once to ensure it’s set up to run offline.

Step 2: Disconnect and Remove Cloud Data

Disconnect your PC from the internet.
Locate and delete the cloud save files.

For MS Store users, these files are typically located in:
C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.Limitless_8wekyb3d8bbwe\SystemAppData\wgs
For Steam users, the folder (if it exists) should be in a similar location under:
C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024\
and possibly \SystemAppData\wgs
(If someone with the Steam version can confirm this, it would be appreciated!)

Delete all the contents in the respective folder.

Step 3: Reconnect and Launch the Game

Launch the game while still offline. It should prompt you that an internet connection is required.
At this point, reconnect your internet.
The game should now restart and take you back to the initial setup screen.

 

I wish I had noticed your message sooner. Could you clarify: is it a typo? I see it mentioned as 2020, but my issue is 2024. I have no problem experimenting with this. And THANK YOU for your help.

3 hours ago, Warlocc said:

I work in an industry that doesn't take holidays off at all, let alone long vacations. I work with other people in industries where if they did that, it'd be chaos when they returned, at best. Millions of dollars in damages at worst.

You are heroes. Here take a pat on the back. The rest of us will be singing your praise at the early graves you all worked yourselves into.

Edited January 18, 20251 yr by Farlis

Vacation or work...