4 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

We all have opinions and options, and we should be able to make a case without the childish aspersions, no?

And we should be able to make the case without constant ad hominem from you.

12 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

So, in your 25 years of work with all your clients, none of them have ever simply changed their minds about anything…?

or do you refuse to work with them when they do…?

oh, and how about in reverse - have you ever had to go back to a client and ask for more money because the situation changed…?

“Stuff” happens and guess what - we either decide the value prop is reasonable or not. 

PMDG isn’t under contract with us, nor the reverse. 

And don’t forget, since we can all vote with our wallets, you can bet PMDG is keenly aware of the value prop they need to deliver, esp under these circumstances. There’s no way they’re blind to the success of Fenix, ini, iFly, et al. 

just by charging ANYTHING for the update, they’re bound to lose customers. 

but you’ve been in business long enough to realize that some customers just aren’t worth the hassle of dealing with them. And the easiest way to get them to go away and be quiet is by raising your prices. 

helps keep the riff raff out., y’know…? 😎

Clients pay me, and once I propose a fee quote, I stick to that quote. I work for a very large national Accounting firm, and our reputation is everything. If it takes longer to do that job, then it’s ALWAYS on us, and that happens more often than you’d think. The only exception is if additional work is added which is beyond the scope of what was quoted. For example, I quote you for a federal corporation tax return, with two state tax returns, and then you add more states and some tax consulting. Look, it’s clear that you’re a PMDG apologist which is perfectly fine, but as you can see, there are plenty of other folks who doesn’t see things the way you do. The product has not changed in this situation, and as I said, they would have been better suited to keep silent as to what they intended to charge. This really isn’t very complicated. As far as me being a customer of PMDG, I’ve purchased essentially every product since FS2004, and I can’t even remember ever posting on their forum, or requesting support. I’m a very hassle-free customer.

Cheers, Pete

Lol...17 pages and no lock?  These are rookie numbers.

8 minutes ago, RNAVV19R said:

My first post in this thread was a reply to someone saying that $20 would be reasonable when other devs are providing higher quality updates for free and PMDG stated it would be the price of a cup of coffee.

That's how the discussion started.

That was me, but what I meant was that $20 was reasonable “for PMDG.” I completely agree with your sentiment.

Cheers, Pete

13 minutes ago, Maxis said:

Ok .. so they are lying (The horror .. they are horrible people)  .. and you have scolded them for it ...  

What now?

How does them allegedly lying (pure speculation may i add)  affect the actual product that we get to actually assess tomorrow? This is exactly what i meant about being unattached, 

I dunno .. all i care about is if the product works as advertised and there are meaningful improvements ... and the price is right. 

 

Have a good one. 

 

That’s fine, I don’t expect you to see things exactly as I do. We are both capable of respectively disagreeing on this topic.

Cheers, Pete

1 hour ago, lwt1971 said:

 

Well by that standard, if a dev says anything months before release and it doesn't exactly pan out like that then it's a lie.. i.e. If they say it will release on date X but it actually released 3 months later than that, then they lied, and so on and so forth. But sure, you're absolutely entitled to that view 🤷‍♂️

But there is still no baiting and switching going on here I'm afraid.

Just to clarify, nobody can control how long it takes to finish a complex project, with so many moving parts. That, of course would never constitute lying, and is a poor analogy. However, a price most certainly can be set to an EXACT amount. This is literally my life as a Tax Director. I quote a fee, provide an estimate of the turnaround time, and I communicate with my clients if the timing changes. The quoted fee does not change. If it did, then I would have given a dishonest fee quote. 
 

Cheers, Pete

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35 minutes ago, PilotPete99 said:

Just to clarify, nobody can control how long it takes to finish a complex project, with so many moving parts. That, of course would never constitute lying, and is a poor analogy. However, a price most certainly can be set to an EXACT amount. This is literally my life as a Tax Director. I quote a fee, provide an estimate of the turnaround time, and I communicate with my clients if the timing changes. The quoted fee does not change. If it did, then I would have given a dishonest fee quote. 
 

Cheers, Pete

A. If you can afford to eat your labor overages and stick to a fixed price, then you’re overcharging your clients. 

which is ironic because that’s what “we” are accusing PMDG of doing. 

B. You talk about commitment to your customers - which you give in the form of a formal estimate. And I’m sure that comes with a long list of T&Cs. 

I don’t remember getting a formal estimate from PMDG, or any other dev - do you?

we don’t need to “apologize” for PMDG because there’s nothing for which to apologize. 

It’s called “business”. And business people charge whatever they feel is a fair price for their work. 

For e.g., I’m positive your firm doesn’t let your clients tell you what to charge, right?

 

 

Sound comparison v2020 to v2024.

Echo 19 and a sound engineer who just happens to be a type rated 737 pilot:

 

6 hours ago, MikeV1 said:

Would someone braver than me be willing to make a dedicated PMDG 737 ‘24 thread tomorrow for people who actually buy the plane so we can discuss the quality and performance without the cost aspect?

And for those who want to chat cash can be in this thread or siphoned off into another dedicated thread? 

Don't worry if some  one does it will turn out exactly as this and any other pmdg thread

8 hours ago, RNAVV19R said:

It's a discussion forum, Einstein. That's what we do here. We discuss things related to upcoming sims/addons.

seems to happens in every pmdg thread wonder why

I think that some supposed paid supporters are more expensive than a pair of coffee cups. 

16 hours ago, JYW said:

Many draw comparisons with other developers, such as Just Flight, who recently offered native 2024 versions of their products, free of charge.  But it's difficult to draw credible comparisons when each company uses quite different pricing models.   

This also due to the fact that some companies or products draw more interrest than others.

In the case of Just Flight because you name them, they make very quality products and their Bae-146 is on of the best add-on for msfs. Yes, the Bae-146 for msfs24 was available for free if you own the msfs version. But the fact is that JF doesn't have the aura of PMDG and the Bae-146 is way less popular than the 737 NG.

We still don't know the price of the 737 upgrade but we know it will sell, no matter what. Look at this thread, pros or cons but it filled 17 pages in less than a few days while a thread on JF or the Bae-146 wouldn't collect more than a few replies. So would JF be able to sell a lot of upgrades at $20? $30? Not sure...

Yes, it makes us mad, but PMDG perfectly know that their name by itself draws interrest from the community, they know that their products will sell well and like any smart companies, they would be dumb to provide an upgrade for free if they can make money with it. Like it or not, that's the way it works.

And trust me that they probably read this thread with a lot of interrest. Seeing people ready to pay up to $30 for any variant probably don't fall in the ear of a deaf people.  

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I will pay up to £30 at a push. Any higher and I will skip it and try something new and different. It's mostly the same thing so not worth paying more than that for me. I think they can charge what they want though. They are a business and the demand is there. 

For what it’s worth this is what I’m going to do …

I have the 600 and 800 which I very much enjoyed in 2020.

If the 600 is £10 and the 800 is £20 I’m in.

Any more than that and I will be moving over to the 737 Max for a change.