PMDG 737 NGX: PMDG's attitude toward realism

[WestAir]

Sorry, it sounds like a 'gamy' thing. This really is not part of professional simulators since it is impossible to simulate wear and tear and mechanical breakdowns with any degree of accuracy.

I think busting flaps by dropping them @ 250 knots is a great way to simulate wear and tear. Hats off to FSPassengers(X) for simulating such things.Most people have no idea how many times the maintenance crew has to come out and check an airliner because the pilots exceeded something as simple as the flap speeds. :((Point is, it's a simulator. Simulating the affects of using equipment incorrectly is not 'gamy'. Even the FTD's tell you when you've broken flaps or severed an engine nacelle.)

[carsim]

Thank you PMDG Team for this excellent aircraft I have the super MD11 and for me (retired pilot of the Portuguese Air Force) your aircrafts are almost like the real ones, is the best simulation in the market I just hope this new 737/800 will be in our hands very soon. Thank you for your excelent work keep going Carlos simoes

[byork]

As far as FS2Crew, that is an addon I just cant fly without. I got my first version for the Level D 767, got the PMDG 747 as a gift, and I have bought the Voice versions for the Maddog, the JS41, and the Level D, and it is just fantastic. I cannot wait to see what Mr York has for us in the 737 NGX.

I think you'll like what FS2Crew has in store for the NGX :( Cheers,

[Roadburner426]

Are you working in tandem with them Byork? Been tempted to pick up some of your products. Have watched videos of them on youtube and all before. I know it gets a lot of acclaim from people in forums. Can't wait to see it though. Am afraid once I make the leap I can't go back. Will be $81 to upgrade all my planes, LOL.

[MMartinov]

Are you working in tandem with them Byork? Been tempted to pick up some of your products. Have watched videos of them on youtube and all before. I know it gets a lot of acclaim from people in forums. Can't wait to see it though. Am afraid once I make the leap I can't go back. Will be $81 to upgrade all my planes, LOL.

Steve, you are right. Once you cross that river and go for the FS2CREW (Voice) there won't be any turning back.There are a couple of products which are very nice indeed, but with my missing FO the fun bar is dropped way below. Take for example the Maddog MD82 (which was already discussed above), the VC is built with an axe, but the great work from Bryan makes me always go back to it.If you have J41 I suggest you start with this FS2CREW product... You won't be dissapointed.Now I can only immagine what have Bryan and the PMDG team in the pipeline for us with the NGX....

[Tabs]

Are you working in tandem with them Byork? Been tempted to pick up some of your products. Have watched videos of them on youtube and all before. I know it gets a lot of acclaim from people in forums. Can't wait to see it though. Am afraid once I make the leap I can't go back. Will be $81 to upgrade all my planes, LOL.

Bryan's worked with us for many years - his stuff is great!

[byork]

Thank you Ryan and everyone else :-)You can basically expect two versions:1. (Traditional) Button control.2. Voice Control.There is talk of an SDK being available... I haven't seen it yet so it's just talk... but with an SDK I can make the integration VERY smooth (similar to what I did with the Level-D 767, Jetstream and Maddog).Cheers,

[WestAir]

Thank you Ryan and everyone else :-)You can basically expect two versions:1. (Traditional) Button control.2. Voice Control.There is talk of an SDK being available... I haven't seen it yet so it's just talk... but with an SDK I can make the integration VERY smooth (similar to what I did with the Level-D 767, Jetstream and Maddog).Cheers,

Great to hear! I've stopped buying complex airliners if it lacked FS2Crew to back it up. Looking forward to seeing what the FS2CREW NGX has to offer. :(

[WebMaximus]

Same here, I'm currently reinstalling my PC with both OS and FSX to make sure I have a 100% clean installation and will then only install FS2Crew Voice equipped PMDG a/c - I'm so looking forward to the 737 NGX version and then I keep my fingers crossed we will see FS2Crew Voice versions also for the MD-11 and maybe also the 747 :(

[Big_Les]

We are not modelling CBs - that's something 1/10th of 1% of people will ever care about or use and it literally adds nothing to the normal simming experience on an advanced modern jet like the NG. If an airline or training company wants to pay us to do it, by all means we'd have to entertain the idea, but it's just not something that's worth the time it would take to model accurately. If I recall correctly, the LSH product has just a small subset of all the breakers functional anyways right?You have to ask yourself how many of these things are actually even possible on a 737NG though too. You can't just say that because one addon for a much older aircraft has things like "Engines that melt if you over stress them." that any aircraft should have that - the NG has electronic engine control (EEC) computers that limit you from doing exactly that to the engines. It was something that was invented after the MD-80 series was designed. There's no such thing as "high" hydraulic pump settings on an NG either.As for stuff like failed or incorrectly set systems and their associated dependencies and effects on the other systems in the aircraft, we've had stuff like that for a long time - the 747 and MD-11 are chock full of them. The NGX has an absolutely extreme level of detail with this type of thing though - there's many many things that we're sure people are going to report as "bugs" here after release that are actually realistic issues you'd see on the real aircraft if you don't configure the systems correctly.

Ryan,I agree that only 1 in 100 will care about CB's and yes you are correct in saying that the LMD does not model all of them. CB's are however useful in modeling failures and are quite extensively used by flight and ground crews in the real world "I know, I was one once" (Clea-shay, sorry) Having a CB pop in flight is not all that unusual, as is having one tripped for a limited system or to simulate a system failure. (during flight tests etc)I am aware that modern electronic engine control systems will not allow over stressing, and that you cannot equate all the LMD systems to a 737 NG, I was simply trying to convey the level of accuracy of the LMD. PMDG has done a sterling job so far on its aircraft but not everything is accurately modeled, I realize it has to be a compromise when developing software and I'm sure the level of detailed offered by your products is more than enough for the majority of simmers, myself included.As for the likelihood of bugs that are "functions", I'm more than aware of this problem and will read the "spec" (flight manual) fully before reporting any such occurrences, this is a generic problem with all software development not just simulation software. Nothing annoys me more than users or testers ranting on about something which is actually working as specified. I remember a pilot during an air test reporting a localizer capture failure at 45 degrees and 240 knots which was well outside of the bounds of the system. I think the recs reply was "seat to stick interface defective, NFF" (no fault found)I'm eagarly awaiting the release of the NGX.

[jordanal]

Excellent PMDG - great preview - can't wait to see the exterior!Oh I know... Can we substitute the pogostick with a dust-buster? That'll cover the 80-20 rule... :( j/k... I like the NGX dirt - it'll match my desk... A sound driver request - can you make the PMDG sounds on the NGX use the chosen primary sound device as selected within FSX instead of the chosen default sound device in the OS? I ask because sometimes I want to set the OS default sound device to my USB headset (this backward method solves other add-on issues); and then force the FSX primary sound device to my speakers. But, when I do this in previous PMDG aircraft, the PMDG flightdeck sounds still appear the headset - as if the FSX primary sound device setting has no bearing on PMDG sounds. Thanks for considering...

[baldk9]

Thank you Ryan and everyone else :-)You can basically expect two versions:1. (Traditional) Button control.2. Voice Control.There is talk of an SDK being available... I haven't seen it yet so it's just talk... but with an SDK I can make the integration VERY smooth (similar to what I did with the Level-D 767, Jetstream and Maddog).Cheers,

This only keeps getting better and better.

[El padrino]

Dear admins, can there be a separate LOCKED thread with PMDG's updates (RSR, Tom etc) and keep this one just for the rest of us who want to do any comment, suggestion, joke? It's really hopeless to look for updates or any kind of new info as even if I check daily there are dozens of new posts, which from my point of view are useless.Please don't get me wrong, I do not say that people say useless things, but for me (or anyone else maybe) who look just for updates regarding the upcoming release, it's really hard to follow all these pages...Thanks.

[PUP4ORD]

Their are new threads detailing more and more bits of information in the related updates as such,etc.:(

[WebMaximus]

Dear admins, can there be a separate LOCKED thread with PMDG's updates (RSR, Tom etc) and keep this one just for the rest of us who want to do any comment, suggestion, joke? It's really hopeless to look for updates or any kind of new info as even if I check daily there are dozens of new posts, which from my point of view are useless.Please don't get me wrong, I do not say that people say useless things, but for me (or anyone else maybe) who look just for updates regarding the upcoming release, it's really hard to follow all these pages...Thanks.

+1Sounds like a great idea to me!