PMDG 737 NGX: PMDG's attitude toward realism

[Paul_Smith]

OK, first of all, no need to take stuff personal and use words like nonsensical. VC or 3d, who cares what I call it, its the same thing. It doesnt actually represent what a real pilot would see, the field of view is way narrower than a real life field of view. In real life you would be able to reach anything you want on the mcp without spending a second panning the view around. You wouldnt have to use a mouse pointer to manipulate knobs and buttons, and spending time finding the exact correct spot to click to be able to turn a knob. In real life you wouldnt even have to look at the MCP, you would know where everything was by heart and experience. Think muscle memory.What I like about the 2d panel is that the knobs are always in the exact same spot and I dont have to waste valuable time trying to find that exact click spot, which happens to be moving because of g-forces (yes, i know, its possible to disable the camera movement). Its simply way more functional in a high workload situation, it makes it easier for me to focus on actually aviating, navigating and communicating. Since I'm being the captain and the FO at the same time I prefer to reduce artificial hurdles like having to find the correct click spot as much as possible. Thats why I use the 2d panel in high workload situations. When the workload is lower I usually use the 3d cockpit.But this topic isnt about the advantages of 2d vs 3d, its about the upcoming NGX. I just hope they put as much effort into the 2d panel as they have done with the VC, so people like me can get the maximum amount of enjoyment out of the simulator

Nothing personal was intended, and I am not singing the praises of VC over 2D as I also like and use 2D, but then I also use CTRL-E and slew. I was not attacking you, your opinions, or your preferences. I was attacking your post which contained three untrue but often repeated criticisms; 1) That it is 3D, 2) that is less realistic and 3) that it has lower functionality. There is no truth or sense in any of these statements, no matter how many times they are repeated. 1) VC is NOT 3D. It is not failed 3D. It is not an attempt at 3D. The only connection with 3D is the modeling so that things can correctly obscure each other. 2) How can one 2D representation of a cockpit be 'less' realistic then another? Unless of course the buttons, knobs, switches and displays are in the wrong place? 3) If a button is implemented in one view but not the other, then that view has higher functionality, regardless of how realistic it is. As for the criticisms you have added today, field of view and finding clickspots, I have only one word for you; Zoom. To close this topic (hopefully for once and all), use what ever makes you happy, but please, do not use untruths about alternatives to convince others that your way is better. Leave that tactic to politicians.

[Ourgas2]

<br />Dear admins, can there be a separate LOCKED thread with PMDG's updates (RSR, Tom etc) and keep this one just for the rest of us who want to do any comment, suggestion, joke?  It's really hopeless to look for updates or any kind of new info as even if I check daily there are dozens of new posts, which from my point of view are useless.Please don't get me wrong, I do not say that people say useless things, but for me (or anyone else maybe) who look just for updates regarding the upcoming release, it's really hard to follow all these pages...Thanks.<br />

<br /><br /><br />Very good idea! I actually wanted to propose a similar thing!

[Sawydz]

Yeap, sometimes I'm at work for 13hrs and have already missed one update, so I think is good idea!

[PilotX]

Im every Day minimum 5 Times here.Its so ridiculous i know.In the meanwhile i cant wait any more for the NGXIm afraid ..that we still to have wait for a indefinite TimeI could be wrong of course

[MMartinov]

Dear admins, can there be a separate LOCKED thread with PMDG's updates (RSR, Tom etc) and keep this one just for the rest of us who want to do any comment, suggestion, joke? It's really hopeless to look for updates or any kind of new info as even if I check daily there are dozens of new posts, which from my point of view are useless.Please don't get me wrong, I do not say that people say useless things, but for me (or anyone else maybe) who look just for updates regarding the upcoming release, it's really hard to follow all these pages...Thanks.

+1

[shastana]

Dear admins, can there be a separate LOCKED thread with PMDG's updates (RSR, Tom etc) and keep this one just for the rest of us who want to do any comment, suggestion, joke? It's really hopeless to look for updates or any kind of new info as even if I check daily there are dozens of new posts, which from my point of view are useless.Please don't get me wrong, I do not say that people say useless things, but for me (or anyone else maybe) who look just for updates regarding the upcoming release, it's really hard to follow all these pages...Thanks.

+1

[pampiermole]

I'm not sure if someone asked it ever before... when is the release???? :( :(

[shastana]

I'm not sure if someone asked it ever before... when is the release???? :( :(

very funny!

[ahsmatt7]

I just really hope that they release a version with a VC that inst as 3d looking. Better yet, I don't want a VC. I want a virtual cabin instead so I can be a passenger. The whole idea of flying the plane is non-sense. I'm so awesome that the simulator flies ME around. hahahahaahaDo I really need a sarcasm tag????

[harvester21]

I just really hope that they release a version with a VC that inst as 3d looking. Better yet, I don't want a VC. I want a virtual cabin instead so I can be a passenger. The whole idea of flying the plane is non-sense. I'm so awesome that the simulator flies ME around. hahahahaahaDo I really need a sarcasm tag????

I think you might be on to something there.. People might actually want to pay for that! LOL

[vscimone]

Regarding this never ending 2D vs VC debate..... it is getting tiresome.To clarify, the VC is in fact 3D. to say otherwise is to ignore the last 15 years of game development. Stop splitting hairs. It's 3D. Period.Finally, PMDG has already stated on numerous occasions that there will in fact be 2D panels, so everyone who is chiming in can now sit down and relax and stop throwing unwarrented panic posts into this forum.Thank you. Have a nice day.

Dear admins, can there be a separate LOCKED thread with PMDG's updates (RSR, Tom etc) and keep this one just for the rest of us who want to do any comment, suggestion, joke? It's really hopeless to look for updates or any kind of new info as even if I check daily there are dozens of new posts, which from my point of view are useless.Please don't get me wrong, I do not say that people say useless things, but for me (or anyone else maybe) who look just for updates regarding the upcoming release, it's really hard to follow all these pages...Thanks.

No, this won't happen. We welcome open discussion, and even a joke or two. Most new updates, however, will be written into a new thread.

[NoahBryant]

In Soviet Russia, NGX flies you!

[El padrino]

Regarding this never ending 2D vs VC debate..... it is getting tiresome.To clarify, the VC is in fact 3D. to say otherwise is to ignore the last 15 years of game development. Stop splitting hairs. It's 3D. Period.Finally, PMDG has already stated on numerous occasions that there will in fact be 2D panels, so everyone who is chiming in can now sit down and relax and stop throwing unwarrented panic posts into this forum.Thank you. Have a nice day.No, this won't happen. We welcome open discussion, and even a joke or two. Most new updates, however, will be written into a new thread.

It's very obvious that PMDG likes to be open and in close contact with its clients and this is probably good for both sides, as we feel part of the development and you get usefull feedback regarding our expecations.That's exactly why I suggested one locked and one open thread that will move in parallel.However, in my opinion it'd be much easier for us to reference the locked thread (eg On the 10-05 13:28 update RSR says that the pogo stick will be jump-by-wire. Is that true?) rather than to have to check 15 pages daily (or even worse 15 times a day) just in case we've missed something.Although I am not in any way obssessed with the NGX or any previous, since I know that it will eventually land in my FSX, I still think it'd be nice to have all the updates together. Sometimes it's good to look at them and look forward to it! It'd be easier for newcomers as well as they'll probably find usefull info more easily.Thanks for listening...

[aceridgey]

super vin :)thanks for the input

[macpilot757]

Hello, when will there be an update on the exterior of the plane? will it include all the 737NG variation? (600-900) thanks