Could you please point to that thread? thanks.

 

It's in the official support forum at http://qwsim.flight1.net/forums/default.asp

 

Looks like it's slipped to page 2 by now.

Oh my, these things were the bane of my existence when I was a controller in the London TMA. Everybody had them, Jersey European/flybe, BA/Cityfler, Debonair, Sabena/Brussels Airlines, Cityjet etc etc they were everywhere and did they ever drive us nuts.

Absolutely shocking climb performance, and in hot weather you were guaranteed to be co-ordinating with nearby sectors because there was no hope in h*ll of them climbing above.

 

Yup, if I recall correctly, they caused trouble all over European airspace with their poor climb rate and fairly low service ceiling. A standing joke at the time in answer to the question 'why do they have four engines?' was: 'because they couldn't fit eight of them under the wing'. Not only that, the four engines they have were notoriously unreliable at the start, with numerous issues, although to be fair they were improved quite a bit over the years, but they still aren't what you'd call brilliant in either performance or reliability. Another joke which did the rounds, was that BAe was short for 'bring another engine', since the ALF 502 engine was prone to needing replacement on a regular basis, part of that was owing to the fact that the 502 engine design was basically cobbled together by adding a high bypass fan to the Lycoming T-55 helicopter engine which you find in stuff such as the Boeing CH-47 Chinook, although the engine was also used in the Piper Enforcer ground attack variant of the P-51 Mustang.

 

Nevertheless, in spite of the 146/RJ's slightly crap reputation there were a fair number of them built, almost 400 of the little buggers if I recall correctly, which does make it one of the most successful jets made in the UK (at least from a numerical standpoint), and of the ones which were built, there are still quite a few in service, so it is nice to have one to fly in FS, especially since it is one of a very few aeroplanes which is certified for steeper approach profiles into places such as London City Airport. Thus it might be crap at climbing, but it can at least come down fairly steeply, and they are quiet, although that's often because one of the engines has had to be shut down in flight LOL.

 

Al

Yup, if I recall correctly, they caused trouble all over European airspace with their poor climb rate and fairly low service ceiling. A standing joke at the time in answer to the question 'why do they have four engines?' was: 'because they couldn't fit eight of them under the wing'. Not only that, the four engines they have were notoriously unreliable at the start, with numerous issues, although to be fair they were improved quite a bit over the years, but they still aren't what you'd call brilliant in either performance or reliability. Another joke which did the rounds, was that BAe was short for 'bring another engine', since the ALF 502 engine was prone to needing replacement on a regular basis, part of that was owing to the fact that the 502 engine design was basically cobbled together by adding a high bypass fan to the Lycoming T-55 helicopter engine which you find in stuff such as the Boeing CH-47 Chinook, although the engine was also used in the Piper Enforcer ground attack variant of the P-51 Mustang.

 

Nevertheless, in spite of the 146/RJ's slightly crap reputation there were a fair number of them built, almost 400 of the little buggers if I recall correctly, which does make it one of the most successful jets made in the UK (at least from a numerical standpoint), and of the ones which were built, there are still quite a few in service, so it is nice to have one to fly in FS, especially since it is one of a very few aeroplanes which is certified for steeper approach profiles into places such as London City Airport. Thus it might be crap at climbing, but it can at least come down fairly steeply, and they are quiet, although that's often because one of the engines has had to be shut down in flight LOL.

 

Al

Haha I'm amazed :lol: :fool:

Lots of interesting infos related to this aircraft

For what it's worth I'm seeing no climb performance issues with the J85 version I'm using (Mesaba). Maybe the newer models performed better.

 

 

Yup, if I recall correctly, they caused trouble all over European airspace with their poor climb rate and fairly low service ceiling. A standing joke at the time in answer to the question 'why do they have four engines?' was: 'because they couldn't fit eight of them under the wing'. Not only that, the four engines they have were notoriously unreliable at the start, with numerous issues, although to be fair they were improved quite a bit over the years, but they still aren't what you'd call brilliant in either performance or reliability. Another joke which did the rounds, was that BAe was short for 'bring another engine', since the ALF 502 engine was prone to needing replacement on a regular basis, part of that was owing to the fact that the 502 engine design was basically cobbled together by adding a high bypass fan to the Lycoming T-55 helicopter engine which you find in stuff such as the Boeing CH-47 Chinook, although the engine was also used in the Piper Enforcer ground attack variant of the P-51 Mustang.

 

Nevertheless, in spite of the 146/RJ's slightly crap reputation there were a fair number of them built, almost 400 of the little buggers if I recall correctly, which does make it one of the most successful jets made in the UK (at least from a numerical standpoint), and of the ones which were built, there are still quite a few in service, so it is nice to have one to fly in FS, especially since it is one of a very few aeroplanes which is certified for steeper approach profiles into places such as London City Airport. Thus it might be crap at climbing, but it can at least come down fairly steeply, and they are quiet, although that's often because one of the engines has had to be shut down in flight LOL.

 

Al

 

 

The only thing I remember about my one flight in the 146 is how bloody smooth the landing was!

For what it's worth I'm seeing no climb performance issues with the J85 version I'm using (Mesaba). Maybe the newer models performed better.

 

Avro RJ85

I love this model!

How does this pay ware compare with Matthias Liebrecht's panels and Murchison's freeware aircraft? I know they don't have a VCR, but they were great otherwise, especially if you integrated the ISG gauges into them. If this pay ware is not significantly better, not sure I want to part with my money for it. Anyone have both and how do they compare?

How does this pay ware compare with Matthias Liebrecht's panels and Murchison's freeware aircraft? I know they don't have a VCR, but they were great otherwise, especially if you integrated the ISG gauges into them. If this pay ware is not significantly better, not sure I want to part with my money for it. Anyone have both and how do they compare?

 

There's no comparison, it's better...

 

You don't need the ISG gauges in this model. I may be going off topic here but little things with this model just impress me. Things like hearing the external APU engine crank on from inside and outside the aircraft. If you open the windows in the VC you can hear the APU a bit louder as it would be in the real aircraft. I've never seen an FS add-on model louder outside sounds when you open windows within the aircraft. This may not be an avionics feature but little things like this that we've never seen before with other FS add-ons really raise the bar for others to follow. It's exciting to see what more little things can be done that we never thought of.

Thx for the reply, Dillon. How about system realism? For instance, if you don't press the auto spoiler arm switches on the overhead panel, do the spoilers still deploy? Do the fuel pump cross feed switches work like on Matthias's panel? I am addicted to system realism.

Hi all,

 

What are your experiences so far?

I have done now a couple of flights and think it really needs a patch for the autoflight system

(both AP modes and AT)

As a CTRL-E kind of flyer, I was delighted to find that this aircraft could be experienced without a PhD in aeronautics.

But with a User's Manual of 281 pages, and an office detailed like this:

...I'm pretty sure I could be convinced to spend a little quality time completely learning this splendid offering!

I only pray that the B787 follows the same release pattern...

I got it yesterday and I'm blown away. Mostly because I've had a chance to use UK2000's excellent London City scenery which had pretty much lain unused as the only other aircraft in my hangar that could get in there was the ATR72 and I'm more of a jet guy - now I can fly into there all the time!

 

Suffice to say, none of my arrivals at EGLC have been very pretty, but I've not managed to run off into the river yet! It's definitely an approach to focus your mind as you need to wind out the airbrake all the way from GS intercept as the steep approach builds up a lot of speed otherwise. One astonishing thing is the effectiveness of the brakes - the RJ doesn't (as far as I can see) have any autobrake so us regular Boeing pilots who are not used to braking the aircraft from high speed will probably end up thrown through the windscreen the first couple of times. Even with a late (and rough) touchdown I still was able to stop before the turning pad which is some distance from the end of the runway.

 

I must point out I was no huge fan of QW's 757 as I found it hard on frames, the 'lite' panel didn't do much for me, I wasn't blown away by the VC and I found the flight model very 'pitchy' and hard to fly smoothly. After a few flights it was parked in the desert of my hard drive. I'm glad to report that the 146 is streets ahead in all respects. The sounds, the attention to detail and systems fidelity is certainly enough for even the hardest of hardcore simmers. As reported above, if you can find your way round a 737 then nothing here will frighten you too much.

I'm not entirely sure of some of the systems that should be on/off at the gate or for start up, but I've always taxied with no warning lights and nothing disastrous has happened yet. Make sure you set the pitch correctly or you'll stall on departure as the first segment climb performance is a bit of an eye-opener if you're used to the pocket rocket 737NG. There's little thrust available to get you out of trouble. Setting V speeds is a bit of a crapshoot. Having been plugging all the info in from TOPCAT for so long, I was a bit lost initially but it seems that the speed placard gives you the rotate and V2 speeds for each given weight so plucking a V1 figure a few knots under Vr should do the trick. Long runways you can derate but you've nothing to go by so the figure is a stab in the dark. If it's a shortish runway I just TOGA Max as full TOGA in the 146 is some way from the same thing in a light 737 where full power is a handful.

 

So in summary, this is on the A-list of FS9 add-ons for me, up there with the Queen of the Skies, the iFly 737 and the LDS 767.

 

I got carried away so not much time for photos, but here's one on approach to LCY.....

 

Hey, mad dog!

 

Since our question has not been answered, it means the answer. Unfortunately.

But I have also seen your post at the QW forum and see you are going to try FSUIPC mouse macros. Please be so kind and let me know how it goes, mate.

I would really love to know since I have never never used the macros, as I always simply assign FSUIPC key combos and wirte them into aircraft's key menu.

 

Hey Rafal,

 

I successfully created mouse macros for all lateral and vertical modes plus Flight Director, AP ON, AP OFF, A/T Arm toggle and so on... works a treat, thanks to Pete Dowson. What would we do without him?

 

BTW, I have GF RP48 and LGT-II modules. Plus double Saitek TQs where I assigned most of the commands. Lights (with exception of landing lights -- mouse macro!) work as it is with the RP48

 

I love this aircraft... just something about it... not to mention the superb night lighting...

 

Regards,

Jure

Jure,

 

Thanks a million, mate!

You have always been a great help for me and naturally so it is this time.

You have just made me one (big) step closer to buying this aircraft.

 

All the best for you there in Ljubljana!