"It's a floor wax." ...

"No, it's a dessert topping." ...

"Hey, calm down you two, it's a floor wax and a dessert topping!"

 

You'll need to be up there a little in years to get that one, lol.

 

Cheers,

Jeff 

It could also be argued that it's none of the above.  Instead, it's likely some MS social engineering experiment to see how much abuse a group of (hobbyists, simulation..ers, gamers, insert other descriptive word here) will take before they go off the deep end.

 

There are times where I'm pretty sure that FSX is gaming me.... :lol:

"It's a floor wax." ...

"No, it's a dessert topping." ...

"Hey, calm down you two, it's a floor wax and a dessert topping!"

 

You'll need to be up there a little in years to get that one, lol.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certs

 

Game on!

 

My neighbor who is a 737 pilot for Westjet trains on a simulator not FSX.

Game on!

 

My neighbor who is a 737 pilot for Westjet trains on a simulator not FSX.

Does he PLAY FSX too?

 

:lol:

I would be one to advocate that its a simulation and should only be used as such. After all it mimics real life professions that require alot of skill and preparation which is what we try to mimic with PMDG like aircraft, and proper flight planning, procedures etc. I always questioned why on earth would someone even bother with default aircraft, or want to press E to start. 

 

Then someone kindly pointed out to me, that that is what they are comfortable with , and enjoy playing the aircraft in that way. To each their own. Thats true. I need to respect that.

 

But I still think it should be a semi serious simulation. But thats just me. 

 

 

I always questioned why on earth would someone even bother with default aircraft, or want to press E to start.

Then someone kindly pointed out to me, that that is what they are comfortable with , and enjoy playing the aircraft in that way. To each their own. Thats true. I need to respect that.

 

Just because some things aren't modeled in the aircraft doesn't mean we don't role play them. 

 

I just did several flight tests in the default Goose and DC-3 to test icing effects.  Most of the time I still went through a full manual startup even though I was already lined up on the active runway.  Why?  To keep in practice.  I treat the engines as if they're real, monitoring the gauges and adhering to power levels, for example.

 

On the other hand, on the much more realistic A2A B377 Stratocruiser with COTS, I've never even tried going through a manual startup. I let my flight engineer do that.  I've got enough other systems to monitor.

 

Whether something is a game or a simulator depends on how you use it.  We use FSX as if it's a full simulator.  I had a friend in the Air Force who was a flight sim tech on an F4 Phantom, and when he wasn't testing pilots he was in the full cockpit simulator himself.  He racked up something over 1000 hours.  He'd do things like fly straight up as far as he could on full afterburner before running out of fuel, then try to glide to the next airfield.  That's using a full simulator as a game.  Besides, it sounds fun. 

 

Hook

"It's a floor wax." ...

"No, it's a dessert topping." ...

"Hey, calm down you two, it's a floor wax and a dessert topping!"

 

You'll need to be up there a little in years to get that one, lol.

 

Cheers,

Jeff 

So is it gum or candy? 

 

I am Spartacus!

Ron if you've seen the film you should know...I'm Spartacus :smile:

 

    steve

If a 5 year old buys it form Best Buy, and fly's around in the Extra, and doing loops in the 747, then its a fun game. But for the other, legit flyers, FSX is a...... tool?

 

Why is the latter "legit" but the former not?

 

 

 

We treat it as a way for us to get the closest to real-life flying that we can get to.

 

Ok then I'll throw a question at you.... do you use external views at all? What about time acceleration? If so then you aren't getting as close to real life flying as you can. Running a $50 programme on your home PC with a few hundred $ worth of addons, looking at it all on a monitor with a couple of plastic controllers and a keyboard is not realistic, not by a long shot. There are several absolutely fundamental factors which I can almost guarantee you are not simulating... the presence and indeed interaction with a co-pilot, the proper interaction with ATC, the physical feedback from the aircraft.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not having a go, but I've seen your line of thinking several times before and I think it only ever leads to exactly the kind of stuff you've written above, and that is that your type of simming is the only legit type, and therefore all other perhaps are inferior and less worthy... something which ultimately poisons the well for everybody. It's the flight sim equivalent of snobbery - it's divisive, it puts people off using forums, and the whole notion is flawed.

 

Some people content themselves with the default aircraft. Some people like to make screenshots. Some people like to fly under bridges. Some people like to check out scenery. Some people like to practice instrument flying. Some people like to fly an aircraft they have a personal link with. Some people like to recreate the procedures of airline flying. Some people like to fly old warbirds or historical types. Some people like to stare intently at the framerate counter. Some people like to admire a nice external model or paint.

 

They are all legit and nobody's method or reason for using the sim is any better or more valid than the next.

 

Nobody started out on day one with the PMDG 777, PFPX, ASN, ProATC/Vatsim, Simplates Ultra and a bunch of super detailed airports. Everybody started out in the same place - you included - and that was flying the default aircraft, probably trying to get the Extra 300 under the Golden Gate Bridge or loop the 747.

 

The bottom line is none of us here are using our own personal flight simulators in a professional training or academic environment. We use them for our own entertainment and interest and as such they are a hobby. Nothing more and nothing less.

Well then what are you doing on an internet forum? Haven't you got a boat to catch in Italy?

Now that IS funny....arf arf.

When people ask me about my 'nerd flying' I tell them it can get close to procedures and flight dynamics but you miss all the physical stuff, I can't fly real planes at the moment so it's how I have fun, fun being the main word here!

 

Flight simulation is a hobby for me but also enjoying gaming as well that have nothing to do with simulation, it's my time and my disposable income so don't feel the need to justify a thing.

Nutzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Try telling the guy that bought one of these it's a game!

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2551452/Germany-company-sells-cockpit-simulator-200-000.html

Try telling the guy that bought one of these it's a game!

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2551452/Germany-company-sells-cockpit-simulator-200-000.html

Love these comments:

 

"A must get item for every terrorist???"

 

"great, now those who wanna do another 911 can learn this at home without suspicion."