If the plane was not in fact shot down, Malysain Airlines is going to be under the radar so to speak.

 

I hate to be under-educated, but what happened to the last one? Did they ever verify what happened?

Actually I cannot believe that this is true, but it apparently is. Again a MH-flight. Total loss with over 290 souls on board. Separatists claimed to have shot down an ukrainian cargo plane just minutes before. What did happen and how could this be?

I am shocked by this level of infame terror!

My news program here just posted some breaking news: the Whitehouse has gone into lockdown. Related to this or not, I have absolutely no idea.

Doesn't anyone find it interesting that MH17's first maiden flight was on July 17th 1997, exactly 17 years ago today, July 17th 2014? What is this? 

 

 

Doesn't anyone find it interesting that MH17's first maiden flight was on July 17th 1997, exactly 17 years ago today, July 17th 2014? What is this? 

 

I think only you Marc! plenty of coincidences in tragedy's when you look for them.  

Doesn't anyone find it interesting that MH17's first maiden flight was on July 17th 1997, exactly 17 years ago today, July 17th 2014? What is this? 

 

A tragic coincidence...see the 'Law of Large numbers'

TWA 800 also crashed on July 17th. There are only 365 days per year, these coincidences are bound to happen

The white house issue was from a unattended package at the gate.  Not related.

Ukrainians allegedly recorded a conversation between the rebels, discussing about the shootdown: 

 

 

Maybe someone who knows the language could translate it. 

 

Found this translation from anet, not sure how correct it is: 

 

A: terrorist leader "Bes" (Devil)

B: his GRU chief

 

A: Shot down a plane just now. Group "Minera". Fell down near Enakievo.

B: Pilots, where are the pilots?

A: We're going to the crash site to take photos, still smoking.

B: How many minutes ago?

A: 30 minutes or so.

 

Two terrorists talking:

 

C: Yes, "Mayor"!

D: So, "chernuhin" brigade shot down the plane, from Chernuhin block-post. Cossacks, who are located there/

D: Plane broke up in air, near Petropavlovsk mine. Found first 200 (code for dead person), civilian.

C: What's going on there?

D: 100% civilian plane.

C: Lots of people there?

D: Holy ######, plane fragments fell on houses.

C: Type of plane?

D: Still working on that, haven't been near main part. Looking where first bodies started to drop.

D: Parts of plane, seats, bodies.

C: Any weapons?

D: Nope, civilian stuff, medicine, towels, toilet paper.

C: Any documents?

D: Yes, Indonedian student, from Thompson University.

 

Two other terrorists talking:

 

E: About this plane, shot down near Snezhnoy - Torez. Appers it's civilian plane. Fell down near Grabovo, sea of bodies, women, children. Cossacks are inspecting it.

E: TV is saying it looks like AN-26, ukrainian, transport, but Malaysian Airways are written on it. What was it doing on Ukraine's territory?

F: Transporting spies. No need to fly here, in the war zone

The Wall Street Journal has confirmed from U.S. Intel sources that indeed it was a missile that shot down MAS 17.

I think only you Marc! plenty of coincidences in tragedy's when you look for them.

There is a logic of numbers in many planned acts of violence.

Unfortunately I find this 17-coincidences at least disturbing, probably alarming, hopefully it does mean nothing.

The lockdown of the White House might also be due to a further imminent terrorist threat. Highly speculative, yes, but also plausible.

US Intel: Missile Fired at Plane, origin not clear.

FScamp, send this to Psaki. Only invetigation will determine what's happened.

IF, and this is a big IF, this was an act perpetrated by pro-Russian forces or Russians themselves, I can't see how the world can stand by and continue to let Ukraine be taken over by Russia.

Uncomfirmed reports that there may have been 27 Australians on board this flight...

Why this plane was over this area is way beyond me. All the warning signs were out there, military aircraft have already been shot down in this area, and other airlines were already avoiding this region, you bet they were going to target Civilian aircraft as a tool to blame someone else for it. On top of that it turns out it was a Malaysia flight that flew over this region, like they don't have enough problems as it is. Probably the end of Malaysia Airlines now because I don't think they can survive this.

 

This is like our modern day sinking of the Lusitania.