18 minutes ago, fppilot said:

Can you define and enter a hold?  There are some holds coded into the sim.  Can you identify which are there and which are not?  How do you know if you will encounter a hold during an approach?  How about a Direct To?  How much success are you finding if  you need to alter your flight plan?  Are all of the IAFs on the published approaches you are flying available in MSFS?  Are you able to activate your approaches as you would if in an actual airplane and flying the approach?

To be honest, if anyone is solely reliant on having a GPS fly a hold for them or an approach, they've got more to worry about in regard to training than whether their sim will replicate a Garmin. I realise that this is still not ideal, but the fact is if the navaid is there in the sim and the hold or approach is published, you don't actually need an autopilot to fly it and it would be bad in terms of piloting skills if that was the only way you could do it, after all, what if your Gamin conks out? so at this point it's probably the case that a lot of MSFS pilots are brushing up on rusty skills.

Edited July 17, 20214 yr by Chock

I feel that more and more developers (I’m not a developer and just my uneducated opinion) may eventually follow suit, just like developers stop producing products for say p3d v1, it’s the nature of the beast. MSFS is not at its peak yet and is already amazing IMO, but when It gets there I feel it would be hard to justify developing for p3d. As much as msfs may have its quirks today, it truly is the path forward, unless of course LM or laminar revolutionize their sims (from the ground up). I even have a hard time watching p3d videos after experiencing what MSFS can offer. Can’t wait for these top tier GA/airline developers to be releasing for msfs! 

P.S I “was” a long time p3d user, and many MS versions before that so have nothing against these sims, but they would truly need to offer something revolutionary for me to consider them again.

 

It's great that Milviz are coming to MSFS.  We all know they make good stuff. Not a week goes by without someone talking about a wish for the Cessna 310 to come over.

As for P3D.  I bought it once for full price. Was it $199?  I then spent a fortune on the Orbx 'world' to make it look half reasonable, and duplicating purchases on some FSX aircraft I liked.  I then realised it all felt a bit dead and uninteresting, and I had basically spent a load of money just trying to avoid the dreaded FSX OOM error, and seeing threads shut down because someone wanting to discuss using 3D for 'entertainment' purposes - I never understood that, or the high-handedness of the moderators to defend LM for some reason.  

If I am the same as most MSFS users - welcome Milviz, but I don't  give a hoot about P3D anymore. Let them keep their 'commercial and not for entertainment' flight sim, and never mention them again here, as there is simply no need, and P3D and LM are irrelevant in our ecosphere now.

Edited July 17, 20214 yr by bobcat999
Added a bit and corrected spelling.

I really have no issue in purchasing P3d addons as I will likely receive a discount off the MSFS version (in many cases). In any event, I fail to understand why bashing P3d is so often done in connection with promoting MSFS. I use both for different purposes and I am glad to have both sims installed. Anyway, I’m looking forward to getting a quality ATR regardless of which sim it gets released for.

Cheers, Pete

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

was gone from flight swimming for over 10 years

Gave me a little chuckle. Hope to see more floatplanes soon 🙂

2 minutes ago, PilotPete99 said:

I really have no issue in purchasing P3d addons as I will likely receive a discount off the MSFS version (in many cases). In any event, I fail to understand why bashing P3d is so often done in connection with promoting MSFS. I use both for different purposes and I am glad to have both sims installed. Anyway, I’m looking forward to getting a quality ATR regardless of which sim it gets released for.

Cheers, Pete

I for one am thankful for the work and offering that LM has given us over the years, I don’t have no intentions on going back but again don’t think any of us should bash them as most of us got our enjoyment out of that sim for what was available at the time.

Cheers!!

The good news is that with MSFS, the price of the products will be lower. We need to pay close attention to quick money schemes, but for the serious developers it will translate into higher sales, thus ability to lower their prices. We've already seen this with PMDG and Aerosoft latest aircrafts.

P3D is on a  long slow death but the fact that we are seeing 3rd party dev already admitting they are abandoning P3D tells me that the P3D market is shrinking at a higher pace than expected. 

2 hours ago, LesOReilly said:

But no person can dismiss P3D as being done when a multibillion dollar company that makes Air Craft develops the platform for training ... not simmers...

You'd expect that they improve the flight model at one point with all that expertise.

2 hours ago, LesOReilly said:

It is a training tool and if you are using it for training then how things look is of no consequence...

Except when you train VFR flights beforehand and don't want to guess what landmarks are supposed to be.

No choice really. Their user base on that platform is pretty much dead.

1 hour ago, fppilot said:

I am flying mostly GA twins and occasionally in the 172 and the Carenado Mooney.

Currently doing my IR right now. We don't use autopilot or GPS to fly the holds. We just fly the plane manually. It may have a G1000 but that's a luxury many GA aircraft don't have. Although it's definitely a good thing in single pilot IFR to not have to worry about flying a hold I can imagine. So hopefully it's a feature that comes in the G1000 Nxi that WT are working on.

13 minutes ago, suncoastflyer said:

or GPS to fly the holds

 

What do you do if you are holding at an IFR waypoint? (IFR Pilot and Instructor)

1 hour ago, Chock said:

To be honest, if anyone is solely reliant on having a GPS fly a hold for them or an approach, they've got more to worry about in regard to training than whether their sim will replicate a Garmin.

How does MSFS is not IFR worthy for IFR training turn into solely reliant? 

Man it is frustrating how messages and comments link in a manner reminiscent of that aged old demonstration of sending five people out of the room.  Then telling a story to a sixth person still in the room.  Then take that #6 person, put him in a room with the first person and have #6 relate the story.  Then #1 recites to #2, then #2 to #3, #3 to #4 and so on.  When #5 after hearing from #4, is called back in and asked to tell the story it bears little or no resemblance to the original story.

 

Back to the topic at hand, glad to hear that MilViz are coming to MSFS.

 

Looking forward to some quality stuff in sim (to join with the CJ4!), hope MilViz get to work on their Lear tbh....

 

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