10 minutes ago, micstatic said:

@Balint Szarka The problem.  Are you going to have a subscription for each and every addon you have?  

Oh no of course not. I would imagine it something like this: 

PMDG could offer let's say three or four types of subscription packages: Package 1 would cost 10 euros, Package 2 would cost 20 euros, Package 3 would cost 30 euros, Package 4 would cost 40 euros. And each and every of them would have limitations let's say with Package 1 you would get one of the products and so on and so forth with regular updates and support.

I absolutely hate how some developers make a product and then they would move on to the next one and forget about their previously overhyped "charming product" just to be forgotton a few months later.

That would be my take on this but I feel like I am a minority that would rather have a continuously improved product then hundred new ones. Quality over quantity is better in my opinion 😉 Just as an example: the PMDG 737 NGX and also the NGXu seemingly have the same bug in them for I don't even how many years already where you would switch over to QNH and the VNAV path all of a sudden now thinks you are too high or too low depending on the pressure difference to standard pressure. The real plane actually accounts for the difference and would know that it would have to be a bit higher or lower on the profile to account for the expected QNH setting and thus it would calculate the path with this in mind. I have reported this I think 2 years ago, and it was never fixed. Many many other stuffs that were reported by their customers never really made it into any bigger updates. And if the reason why their negligence for fixing such a small little annoyance and some bigger ones because of the money, well then I'd rather pay and let them do a full great work then a half work which never gets fixed.

Edited December 9, 20214 yr by Balint Szarka

1 hour ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

A jump and go flight, installing the liveries could be made easier, but so far very impressed even in just a jump and fly.

Thank you, forged ahead, all good ... lots to read.

Cheers, Rob.

 Could you do one with an overlay please Rob?  Seems like it’s quite nice, how heavy is it on performance?

Rob -- what add-ons and settings do you use for this scenery?

Thanks and Happy Holidays!

Edited December 9, 20214 yr by pgde

47 minutes ago, Balint Szarka said:

Oh no of course not. I would imagine it something like this: 

PMDG could offer let's say three or four types of subscription packages: Package 1 would cost 10 euros, Package 2 would cost 20 euros, Package 3 would cost 30 euros, Package 4 would cost 40 euros. And each and every of them would have limitations let's say with Package 1 you would get one of the products and so on and so forth with regular updates and support.

I absolutely hate how some developers make a product and then they would move on to the next one and forget about their previously overhyped "charming product" just to be forgotton a few months later.

That would be my take on this but I feel like I am a minority that would rather have a continuously improved product then hundred new ones. Quality over quantity is better in my opinion 😉 Just as an example: the PMDG 737 NGX and also the NGXu seemingly have the same bug in them for I don't even how many years already where you would switch over to QNH and the VNAV path all of a sudden now thinks you are too high or too low depending on the pressure difference to standard pressure. The real plane actually accounts for the difference and would know that it would have to be a bit higher or lower on the profile to account for the expected QNH setting and thus it would calculate the path with this in mind. I have reported this I think 2 years ago, and it was never fixed. Many many other stuffs that were reported by their customers never really made it into any bigger updates. And if the reason why their negligence for fixing such a small little annoyance and some bigger ones because of the money, well then I'd rather pay and let them do a full great work then a half work which never gets fixed.

480 euros a year just for PMDG products?  How many updates do you think they could and would make to keep justifying that kind of coin?  Heck.  Let's look at the Global Flight Ops which is "coming soon".  I'm not sure I'd even pay a subscription for that if it didn't also work with the MD80, FSLabs, Q400.  But somehow I have a feeling it wont...  

1 minute ago, micstatic said:

480 euros a year just for PMDG products?  How many updates do you think they could and would make to keep justifying that kind of coin?  Heck.  Let's look at the Global Flight Ops which is "coming soon".  I'm not sure I'd even pay a subscription for that if it didn't also work with the MD80, FSLabs, Q400.  But somehow I have a feeling it wont...  

Well many people pay out a lot more for many less useful stuff than this. It's not a brainless game industry where you keep paying for small silly DLC's where you get extra mission within GTA and stuff. I believe it is quite good for education and probably worth a lot more than standard gaming stuff. Don't get me wrong, I like GTA V and other games too, but would never pay for DLC for those games rather than for sim stuff, any time.

people already pay decent money for addons.  $140 for the 747.  Many decent airports over 30.  No problem paying for quality.  But with your scenario technology quickly becomes a barrier.  You may be comfortable paying over $500 a year for updates from just one vendor.  But a company like PMDG has already pushed the capabilities of P3D pretty far.  So the incremental updates would be small.  And they would only get smaller over time.  Then of course, the user base would be tiny to even consider this.  And believe me.  I'm somebody who has gladly paid thousands for this hobby and for a very long time.  But this market is small, and those of us this serious about it are even smaller.  Personally.  Your grand theft auto example actually has proven to be a bigger success as of late in this hobby judging by what we are seeing with MSFS.  

11 minutes ago, micstatic said:

people already pay decent money for addons.  $140 for the 747.  Many decent airports over 30.  No problem paying for quality.  But with your scenario technology quickly becomes a barrier.  You may be comfortable paying over $500 a year for updates from just one vendor.  But a company like PMDG has already pushed the capabilities of P3D pretty far.  So the incremental updates would be small.  And they would only get smaller over time.  Then of course, the user base would be tiny to even consider this.  And believe me.  I'm somebody who has gladly paid thousands for this hobby and for a very long time.  But this market is small, and those of us this serious about it are even smaller.  Personally.  Your grand theft auto example actually has proven to be a bigger success as of late in this hobby judging by what we are seeing with MSFS.  

Fair enough if most people feel like this. I just simply wanted to vent my feelings about the topic because I have a feeling that PMDG does not seem to listen on their forums and just simply given up trying to add my thoughts there. Not like saying anything on here would make a difference but hey that's how conversations go haha

21 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

I'd argue it's the MSFS buying customers that decided PMDG's path, 2.3 Million users vs. 200,000 (at most) P3D users, visuals sell, games sell, simulators are niche.  It'll be interesting to see how many MSFS users really want a more complex aircraft in their collection.

Cheers, Rob.

Might be true but if you select the percentage of the 2,3 Mio. people who are interested in such a complexe plane which PMDG will deliver, you will be again at the 200.000 people which are using P3D probably already now and are thinking, "why should I buy 1 product twice if I already have a nice looking, really good performing simulator" 😄

The next interesting aspect which is completely ignored right now in my opinion is the Support every Dev. will be need to give the amount of users which will buy complex addons.
I could imagine that there are people who buy the plane and then complain why it is so difficult to use. Could be a big buy and refund business, with the next problem if companies are not accepting refunds 😄

Need to add something more. I would be interested in how much it costs for the Devs if MS/Asobo is chaning again everything without talking to the Devs and than they have to redo everything again.... Just saying.

 

Whatever, P3D ❤️ will stay MY main real flightsimulator for the next years for sure! MSFS is my "fun sim" to fly some bush tours with friends without any expectation of real simulation or something like that!

I am really happy that LM is still working on their own sim and not saying, pffff. we stop developing now and 5.3 is our last version. (I hope they wont say that :D)

 

Edited December 9, 20214 yr by Flyinggok

1 hour ago, pgde said:

Rob -- what add-ons and settings do you use for this scenery?

Thanks and Happy Holidays!

The scenery looks like FlyTampa Las Vegas.

1 hour ago, pgde said:

Rob -- what add-ons and settings do you use for this scenery?

The details are in the description of the Youtube video.  Copied below:

iFly 737NG (PBR)

FlyTampa Las Vegas (PBR)

Orbx Global

AIG (AI traffic) + FSPX payware AI traffic models (PBR)

AI Light Reborn Professional

ChasePlane

FSUIPC6

FSDT GSX 2

4 hours ago, flycln said:

Oh wow, so apparently iFly manages to actually create taxi lights that do illuminate the ground at night in any significant way, unlike the NGXu that PMDG has never fixed in that regard and that I don’t fly at night because of that. Just saying.

Which P3D version? The taxi lights work just fine for me in 5.2.

 

The Fonts in the iFly are fixed and will be released with a service pack which is under test .

Livery installation is much improved too!

6 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

so far very impressed even in just a jump and fly.

Sh##t, Rob! I haven't bought MSFS, so I know it only from screenshots and some videos.
But I can tell you I like your P3D world much better. Visually absolutely enough for my taste.
And the icing on the cake is being able to fly there with such masterpieces like FSLabs A32X or this amazing 737 you have just presented.

2 hours ago, threegreen said:

Which P3D version? The taxi lights work just fine for me in 5.2.

 

Fine for me as well.. .. 

 

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1 hour ago, norman s said:

The Fonts in the iFly are fixed and will be released with a service pack which is under test .

Livery installation is much improved too!

Excellent news.