1 hour ago, TurbofanDude said:

Agreed - we undershot the price on the 717 (though, given its... troubled launch, that was probably for the best). The price we initially decided on for the MD-11 would have been fine in the P3D-only market days, but the curve is changing. We'll keep reviewing to make sure we put it at the right price.

That's great news Collin! I look forward to seeing the MD-11 for MSFS!

1 hour ago, TurbofanDude said:

Agreed - we undershot the price on the 717 (though, given its... troubled launch, that was probably for the best). The price we initially decided on for the MD-11 would have been fine in the P3D-only market days, but the curve is changing. We'll keep reviewing to make sure we put it at the right price.

Yes, old MD-11 pricing is way higher than the best simulation we've got in any platform yet... unless you will beat that and put a new standard for other devs to look up to which I hope and wouldn't mind paying for in that case 

Any plans for marketplace release or 3rd party only? I ask because marketplace keeps things in one place (even though it takes a week to update), and so far, it's been very good against piracy

2 minutes ago, Ink-With-Gold said:

Any plans for marketplace release or 3rd party only? I ask because marketplace keeps things in one place (even though it takes a week to update), and so far, it's been very good against piracy

After someone showed me the website that shall not be named, I am really surprised that any developer chooses to release their product anywhere than the Marketplace. Everything except Marketplace exclusive products are published within hours 😞

So far it seems like it is the only DRM that is worth its money.

I for one appreciate the openness of TFDi on the subject. The MD-11 has always been my favorite airliner, followed by the MD-80. I passed on picking up the MD-80 because of the price, and would’ve passed on the PMDG 737 for the same reason if it wasn’t for the credits I already had. I feel like $60 is the sweet spot. 

The big problems with marketplace as I see it.  

-Late to update

-Hard to modify.  Not uncommon that there are 3rd party mods that make scenery/airplanes better. 

-Less flexible in terms of moving to other disks when space becomes limited  (Atleast I think)

 

I avoid the marketplace whenever possible.  Sometimes it's not possible though. 

For what it's worth I wish pirates were treated as felons or worse.  

57 minutes ago, Makinen11 said:

And of course, custom fly-by-wire

MD-11 never had FBW. The yoke was physically connected to hydraulic actuators via cables.

MDD added features to the MD-11 that had "traits" of a FBW-system such as LSAS attitude hold/stablilizer trim offloading. But the hardware at the bottom was cables and pulleys.

27 minutes ago, espent said:

After someone showed me the website that shall not be named, I am really surprised that any developer chooses to release their product anywhere than the Marketplace. Everything except Marketplace exclusive products are published within hours 😞

So far it seems like it is the only DRM that is worth its money.

Some are not possible tor released to the Marketplace because of the way they are programmed.

1 hour ago, SAS443 said:

MD-11 never had FBW. The yoke was physically connected to hydraulic actuators via cables.

MDD added features to the MD-11 that had "traits" of a FBW-system such as LSAS attitude hold/stablilizer trim offloading. But the hardware at the bottom was cables and pulleys.

In a video I watched the under floor of the cockpit and was impressive how full of cables and pulleys it was.

In the EFB the best in one of the tabs is put the Navigraph Charts app as it is, the best, it is the best for Navigraph and promote their subscriptions too, sure, I doubt much that even they do not encourage for that, against the “experimental and faulty” Navigraph pages-tabs compared with the Navigraph one that developers fit in their EFBs .

On 2/17/2022 at 7:00 PM, tpete61 said:

Ouch...

High price on a bad/buggy platform (MSFS2020) and scrapping for more $$$ with add-ons!

$100 is way over the top for any of these aircraft! I know plenty will pay it. Just won't be me!

I'm not biting!

What for a bad/ buggy platform ???

It isn't that bad and by the way the best Flightsimulator that hits this world since beginning of Flightsimulators at all..

Just my 2 cents..

cheers 😉

I'd love to have a MD-11 for cargo operations, but knowing it will probably not be more detailed than the 737 or Fenix, I'll just pass if this costs more than 60 dollars. They've spoilt it with the quality-per-dollar they deliver!

I like the oldies but the price is much too high for me to consider!!!  I will pass.

Looking forward to the MD-11 as well. 

It's a bit difficult to judge on price at this point, as the full list of features is not known yet. The current addon pricing for MSFS seem to be rather odd as well considering the Fenix A320 released for only 50 GBP, while the Maddog at a whopping 90 euro with subpar sounds. 

Seems they have both experimented with different pricing models, and hopefully the lower cost of the Fenix A320 will become standard if more sales make up for the lower price point. MD-82 is a niche like MD-11 but I am sure that the steep price point has put off a large percentage from buying it (personally I have it the maddog, but that's because it's a plane I flew in P3D for years hence it was just easier to not study from scratch for a new type). 

If the TFDI MD-11 somehow becomes the most advanced airliner ever in the MSFS community with full circuit breaker functionality, integration with third party tools, and service based failures, I can see myself spending 90 euro for it (maybe). Otherwise, around 60 euro is a more comfortable price to avoid it hurting the bank. 

Edited June 17, 20223 yr by Ikarus280

if there will be service based failures as - often not reaching the green boxes during flight control check in colder enviroment, regulary failed fuel pumps, engine anti ice valves or failed hydaulic system tests, ENG 2 AI OFF message if annunciator light test was activated for less than one second during preflight check or no aural warning during WX test if one engine LOP SW failed, double MCDU locks inflight - I would pay a lot more than 90 USD. It is the most complicated aircraft i know, you have to see the outboard aileron unlock-or-mechanism or the spoiler mixer as a ingenious design if it is working and a ordeal if not. I'm hoping for the MD11 as soon as possible, the price is not as much relevant, if you calculate the use of the plane for several years... at least for me. Maybe TFDI has different stages of the AC with different prices.

Best regards Ralf

1 hour ago, cseu said:

if there will be service based failures as - often not reaching the green boxes during flight control check in colder enviroment, regulary failed fuel pumps, engine anti ice valves or failed hydaulic system tests, ENG 2 AI OFF message if annunciator light test was activated for less than one second during preflight check or no aural warning during WX test if one engine LOP SW failed, double MCDU locks inflight - I would pay a lot more than 90 USD. It is the most complicated aircraft i know, you have to see the outboard aileron unlock-or-mechanism or the spoiler mixer as a ingenious design if it is working and a ordeal if not. I'm hoping for the MD11 as soon as possible, the price is not as much relevant, if you calculate the use of the plane for several years... at least for me. Maybe TFDI has different stages of the AC with different prices.

Best regards Ralf

The price is however relevant for many people, especially as inflation rises sharply across the world.
Additionally MSFS represents a chance for types planes who have previously only had tiny niche markets before to reach out to a mass audience (or at least much closer to a mass audience than they every seen before) as long as they are a product that wider audience can afford What limited evidence we can see suggests Fenix's A320 and PMDGs 737-700 have done this but (despite the hype) Leonardo's Maddog maybe hasn't.

52 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

The price is however relevant for many people, especially as inflation rises sharply across the world.
Additionally MSFS represents a chance for types planes who have previously only had tiny niche markets before to reach out to a mass audience (or at least much closer to a mass audience than they every seen before) as long as they are a product that wider audience can afford What limited evidence we can see suggests Fenix's A320 and PMDGs 737-700 have done this but (despite the hype) Leonardo's Maddog maybe hasn't.

As to the MD11 they are making a P3D version too that is to be released, they are probably basing their pricing off of that. Can't charge different prices for certain situations without a community outrage for a developer. BTW if you buy all of the PMDG versions of the 73's 736,737,738,739 when completed it will be more expensive than than the whole bundle in P3D, that's ridiculous. Despite Leonardo's pricing they are still the top leader in sales on Simmarket for aeroplanes even after a month because people want good aircraft. You don think people are not lining up to buy a MD11 for MSFS regardless of a 89.99 price tag?

Edited June 17, 20223 yr by jbdbow1970