In all fairness I think this could be managed if PMDG said "You know what? If you purchased the 777-200ER expansion, we'll upgrade you to the MSFS 777-200 version for free."  That I think would salvage the situation. It would be tough but still easier to swallow like the NGXu upgrade. 

49 minutes ago, FrankSalo said:

In all fairness I think this could be managed if PMDG said "You know what? If you purchased the 777-200ER expansion, we'll upgrade you to the MSFS 777-200 version for free."  That I think would salvage the situation. It would be tough but still easier to swallow like the NGXu upgrade. 

That would go a long way to redeem themselves in my eyes. I just don't see them repeating the offer.
There is a lot of cash coming their way from the -800 and the 737 Max, and the -700 has probably done extremely well. The NXGu limited upgrade was to ensure there was cash coming through the door for PMDG during very lean times after MSFS development was first announced - that is not the situation PMDG faces now.

7 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

Needless to say, PMDG is rolling in the dough. I'm sure Randazzo loves MSFS, it's making him rich.

Yep  thats  true  but  that part of  business your  there  to make  money  not  the other  way  round 🙂

12 hours ago, VBHB said:

Why even bother with the -600 or the NG3 series they could of had the MAX in the air by now.

Problem is, I think that was Boeing's attitude...

12 hours ago, VBHB said:

Why even bother with the -600 or the NG3 series they could of had the MAX in the air by now.

PMDG has a close relationship with Boeing. They need permission from Boeing to make the MAX.

And I think Randazzo made a post in the past saying it wasn’t the right time for Boeing to give PMDG the green light for the MAX yet. The last thing Boeing wants is people making videos using a Boeing 737 MAX in a flight simulator and flying them into the ground. I’m sure Boeing will give PMDG the green light, but probably when Boeing feels there has been enough time since the MAX incidents.

9 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I have made the 5.5 degree approach to EGLC London City in the 737-600 NGX in P3Dv4. I had the speed brake fully deployed and there were no passengers in the cabin, but it (just about) managed to maintain Vref+5

It's always fun at London City! 

The 600 will be able to land there in simulation relatively easily. Not approved in real life. The tall buildings swirl the winds. EGLC is one of 2 reasons why I bought the Bae146 when 4 airliners came out about 2 weeks apart: (Boeing, Airbus, Douglas, BAe)

The -600 will be the only PMDG plane I'm not gonna buy. There is a reason almost no airline used it, and it's def the ugliest Boeing plane.

12 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I have made the 5.5 degree approach to EGLC London City in the 737-600 NGX in P3Dv4. I had the speed brake fully deployed and there were no passengers in the cabin, but it (just about) managed to maintain Vref+5

Now that was the easy part, wasn’t it ? I did a little homework. The runway should be OK to land, 1500 m vs 1300 needed, but definitely too short to take off, 1900 m needed 😄.

 

Take off is not a problem with an empty cabin.

1 hour ago, Fiorentoni said:

The -600 will be the only PMDG plane I'm not gonna buy. There is a reason almost no airline used it, and it's def the ugliest Boeing plane.

Agreed. The only 737 I really like currently is the -800 and -900 models. I'm not a big fan of the 737 much, but please bring on the 777 and 747! In the meantime. I'm enjoying the Fenix A320 to death! The best airliner I've flown in any sim hands down!

41 minutes ago, captain420 said:

Agreed. The only 737 I really like currently is the -800 and -900 models. I'm not a big fan of the 737 much, but please bring on the 777 and 747! In the meantime. I'm enjoying the Fenix A320 to death! The best airliner I've flown in any sim hands down!

still they can squeeze a few sales on the -700 and -600 before making the -800 which is what eveyone wants.

More RR marketing speak for the most part. Can't really blame him for that though, PMDG is not a charity. However, describing the 737-600 as 'a thoroughbred' is, to say the least and unlike the aeroplane itself, something of a stretch. The real thing has fairly poor flight dynamics owing to lacking the longitudinal stability of the longer variants yet still being not far off the weight of a 700. The fact that it is less economical than a 700 variant, yet carries far less than one of them, is also one of the reasons why it is not a popular type.

The yaw damper and the dorsal fillet simply aren't up to the job of keeping a 737-600 going straight. As a consequence, it ends up all over the sky in even the lightest of turbulence and its fairly commonplace to find passengers and normally robust cabin crew suffering from air-sickness when flying on the things. It had to have the outer wings reinforced to counter flutter problems too. It's not for nothing that it frequently gets referred to as 'the wobblin' goblin'. Of course for flight sims, and if PMDG can replicate these less than desirable qualities, that might make an interesting challenge to fly it and a fun thing to play with although I doubt this would please Boeing, but other than that, the cynic in me means I'm inclined to think that they're banging it out prior to something more usable such as a 900ER so completists looking for a different 737 variant to buy, will actually purchase it.

Of course, like Boeing, it's not really much skin off PMDG's nose to make a 600, since as with the real thing, it is basically a 700 with two fuselage plugs deleted and a bit of a tweak to the wing-to-body fairing, so it is kind of understandable that they'd make one, but again like Boeing, I can't imagine them selling a ton of them, particularly when most of the real ones are either retired or in storage as far as I'm aware.

Edited June 5, 20224 yr by Chock

I find it amusing that nearly all posts from PMDG throws a ASOBO kick in. Oh we cant do this or its difficult because we don't have this and ASOBO needs to make this in order for this to work. TBH its getting quite tiresome. From where i see other developers aren't having half the problems PMDG seem to have. Fenix has released what 3-5 Big patches? They don't seem to have issues. Maybe and i am guessing here that if PMDG wasn't being lazy (Porting old Code. Round peg in square hole?) and made the 737 from scratch to work in the MSFS environment from the get go the might have had a better compatible plane. But that is my humble opinion. I think Fenix is a good standard to which other developers should come to. Great communication, Good pricing, and a overall good product. Hats off to those guys.

Edited June 5, 20224 yr by Riah069

4 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

The -600 will be the only PMDG plane I'm not gonna buy. There is a reason almost no airline used it, and it's def the ugliest Boeing plane.

My 600 is not impressed with that last comment. I had to comfort her, and convince her that you were talking s......

13 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

My 600 is not impressed with that last comment. I had to comfort her, and convince her that you were talking s......

But but it's PMDG!!! You MUST buy it.

Edited June 5, 20224 yr by VBHB