Get used to it people. There are very few developers that are bothering with P3D anymore. When I think of all the money I've spent on P3D products over the years, just to have the rug pulled out from under me, it makes me sick to think I have to start all over again. 

1 hour ago, cowpatz said:

Perhaps the reason sales of P3D add ons has diminished is not just because of MSFS but the fact that the number of new add ons being released was drying up anyway. All there was to choose from was a lot of product that had been around along time and only updated along with new P3D version updates. Most users already had the products that they wanted.
The P3D platform is ideal for the likes of a 747 classic. I cant see a 13 year old Xbox MSFS user having the patience for something like this.

It is a shame that LM wont "come clean" and release a development roadmap.

oh come on, it's a real fact that most msfs users are 13 y.o XBOX kids, flying under bridges on outside view and piloting that game with the controller.

It is becoming an old cliché.

Most msfs users are hardcore simmers taht were using P3D or XP11 before. They left P3D and that's the main reason P3D add-ons sales have dryed.

I agree that a PD3v6 could revitalize the P3D market but it will mostly only slow down the amount of people switching to msfs.

P3D6 would need to be so better than msfs to bring users back. Don't forget that most msfs users already spent a lot on the new platform. so it will be difficult to bring them back.

Edited October 5, 20223 yr by sdirand

1 hour ago, tamba765 said:

Get used to it people. There are very few developers that are bothering with P3D anymore. When I think of all the money I've spent on P3D products over the years, just to have the rug pulled out from under me, it makes me sick to think I have to start all over again. 

Exactly why I’m not starting all over. I’m certainly not jumping over repurchasing the same products, rewarding developers for kissing off  stated pending updates on products I’ve already bought for my  platform of choice.  I’m still spending to build on what I have in P3D. Not that one is totally superior to the others, it’s just where I’m at. I actually spent over  $200 on P3DV5 addons last month And $20 today.  To each his own.

Edited October 5, 20223 yr by Patco Lch

2 hours ago, cowpatz said:

I cant see a 13 year old Xbox MSFS user having the patience for something like this.

Maybe the 13 yo will learn that and will show you wonder ? 😉

1 hour ago, tamba765 said:

Get used to it people. There are very few developers that are bothering with P3D anymore. When I think of all the money I've spent on P3D products over the years, just to have the rug pulled out from under me, it makes me sick to think I have to start all over again. 

it's just part of the hobby.  I've been on many platforms during my many years on this hobby.  Sometimes I skip a sim all together.  Other times I only stay on one for a few months.  However there is one thing I accepted a very long time ago.  I will always be sinking a lot of money into this hobby as long as I'm into it.  Otherwise I'm probably not that into it anymore. 

22 minutes ago, micstatic said:

it's just part of the hobby.  I've been on many platforms during my many years on this hobby.  Sometimes I skip a sim all together.  Other times I only stay on one for a few months.  However there is one thing I accepted a very long time ago.  I will always be sinking a lot of money into this hobby as long as I'm into it.  Otherwise I'm probably not that into it anymore. 

Agreed. Besides, it's still much cheaper than owning a real aircraft. 

2 hours ago, sdirand said:

I agree that a PD3v6 could revitalize the P3D market but it will mostly only slow down the amount of people switching to msfs.

P3D6 would need to be so better than msfs to bring users back. Don't forget that most msfs users already spent a lot on the new platform. so it will be difficult to bring them back.

Yes, I agree with this. I said before XP 12 was released, that XP 12 needed to be revolutionary to have a fighting chance against MSFS, XP 12 was not revolutionary and IMO, there is nothing to stop MSFS now.

XP 12 was like the repeat of Blackberry versus IPhone. After the IPhone was released, Blackberry needed a revolutionary product to survive against the IPhone (and subsequently Android too). Blackberry’s new phone after the IPhone released just wasn’t enough and consumers largely panned it. When that happened, Blackberry’s fate in the mobile market was sealed.

P3Dv6 will also have to be revolutionary. It cannot be an “incremental” improvement, the way XP 12 is (many people in the flight sim community, even XP users, are saying XP 12 is really XP 11.5, etc). If P3Dv6 is revolutionary, then it can permanently bring back the consumer home market to P3D again.

10 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

Yes, I agree with this. I said before XP 12 was released, that XP 12 needed to be revolutionary to have a fighting chance against MSFS, XP 12 was not revolutionary and IMO, there is nothing to stop MSFS now.

XP 12 was like the repeat of Blackberry versus IPhone. After the IPhone was released, Blackberry needed a revolutionary product to survive against the IPhone (and subsequently Android too). Blackberry’s new phone after the IPhone released just wasn’t enough and consumers largely panned it. When that happened, Blackberry’s fate in the mobile market was sealed.

P3Dv6 will also have to be revolutionary. It cannot be an “incremental” improvement, the way XP 12 is (many people in the flight sim community, even XP users, are saying XP 12 is really XP 11.5, etc). If P3Dv6 is revolutionary, then it can permanently bring back the consumer home market to P3D again.

I don't think this is happening, and maybe for good. The risk of being too revolutionary is breaking backward compatibility. And if getting developers to update their stuff to P3D v5 was a pain (to the point that many just didn't), I can't imagine how lethal (to us customers) it would be to have LM bring out v6 and have all the stuff that we barely got to work in v5, become unusable once more. That would be basically the final nail in the coffin for the end-user use case of P3D. Which, by the way, was never a "legal" use case anyway... so maybe P3D will just follow their intended path into the mil / pro market. 

3 hours ago, sdirand said:

Most msfs users are hardcore simmers taht were using P3D or XP11 before. They left P3D and that's the main reason P3D add-ons sales have dryed.

I agree that a PD3v6 could revitalize the P3D market but it will mostly only slow down the amount of people switching to msfs.

P3D6 would need to be so better than msfs to bring users back. Don't forget that most msfs users already spent a lot on the new platform. so it will be difficult to bring them back.

I'm what is considered a hard core user. It's been just over 2 years since MSFS was released and I've finally seen the writing on the wall. Whether you agree or not, MSFS is a juggernaut that can no longer be ignored. I was giving it serious thought and last week on a P3D flight I had a CTD with terrain.dll. That, for me, was my cue. I don't have time to manage multiple sims so I am going 100% in on MSFS. I stayed with FSX until P3D v3 so I take my time but that time is now. 

Edited October 6, 20223 yr by B777ER

10 hours ago, Bob Scott said:

I had lots of fun with the RFP bird back in the day.  After years of waiting on the JF 742 to appear, I went with the Felis 747-200 and the iniBuilds A300 in XPlane. 

They're both nicely done.  It's clear that we'll never see a complete fleet on any one platform.

Alas but true. I always thought this would happen that the introduction of MSFS would merely fragment the sims this way, aeroplanes and scenery. At least I have all my extensive scenery for FSX. I too have reinstalled FSX simply to have the CLS 747 and the Captain Sim 707 and 727. For fun I am going to retro the whole sim scenery and world back to the 50s and 60s  ala Cal Classic. 

I will not be an MSFS user, P3D works without any problems at all on my systems and is a very fine simulator indeed. Apart from the 747, 707 and 727 I want for nothing in P3D so I can live without them. X-Plane is an unknown at the moment but I am continually impressed by the breadth and extent of scenery work that appears for that sim. 

I guess JF have not lost a customer with me just they don't cater for P3D at all really other than what was done in the first blush so thats that. 

The Thomas Ruth A300 is not a bad effort and works fine in P3DV5 for those who want the A300. Quite a decent model, maybe not study level but close! The CLS 747-200 unfortunately lacks an interior model and will not work with a VC in P3D which is a shame. Its fine in FSX but with the caveat it is a CLS effort!

Edited October 6, 20223 yr by coastaldriver

1 hour ago, coastaldriver said:

I will not be an MSFS user, P3D works without any problems at all on my systems and is a very fine simulator indeed.

Works perfect for me as well. And the scenery prices keep getting cheaper and cheaper... :>)

13 hours ago, G-YMML1 said:

I feel myself now like I'm in 2013/2014 still using FS2004, while people around me are switching over FSX to P3D.

A relatable analogy.

 

I have some choice expletives hearing this news; but I, too, am not surprised - writing was on the wall.  I had been absolutely elated early on, seeing the news first hand at FS Expo in Vegas a few years back.  (Has it really been that long since the original announcements?)

 

Signed,

One of those FSX holdouts who stayed on FS9 for years.

Not even surprise and disappointing me at all I guess?

During the waiting for JF742, I have witnessed the start developing, publishing and continue developing on Felis 742, and I fully enjoy that, who cares JF anymore....

P3D just slowly sunsetting until every single developer has abandoned it. 

14 hours ago, JRMurray said:

I find that these days, I'm flying a limited number of aircraft anyway: FSLabs Airbuses, PMDG 737s, iFly Advanced 737s, Aerosoft CRJs, and Majestic Q400. I'm really trying to fly these aircraft well.

Yes, that's what I'm doing also. There are too many plane add-ons out there to have them all, and by far too many to fly them all well. So I concentrate on a few. Edit: Also, too many - way too many - airport add-ons to fly to...

Edited October 6, 20223 yr by d.tsakiris