22 hours ago, mSparks said:

maybe, but also from zero to a 20% of flight simmers "bought" into XP12 over the space of a few months/weeks is also among the most dramatic things Ive seen in these surveys, reasonably comparable to the rise of MSFS at launch

Nothing surprising about that. XP12 is the “new thing”. I did note that XP11 use dropped from 2021 to 2022.

MSFS use was the same from 2021 to 2022 at 75 percent.

The survey does not show individuals that  use more than one simulator. I enjoy MSFS tremendously, but I also am an XP user and have been since XP 8. I have both 11.50 and 12, primarily for the HS Challenger and Felis 747-200

18 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

note that XP11 use dropped from 2021 to 2022.

only if you assume the number of people flight simming is the same in 2021 as 2022.

Which is a pretty big assumption...

18 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

The survey does not show individuals that  use more than one simulator

yes it does, I answered it via one of the fselite emails.

you could answer all the time, often, rarely or never to all sims

to which I answered xp12 all the time, xp11 often and dcs rarely, or similar.

you can also plainly see it by the fact the percentages add up to a lot more than 100% (meaning you can add them up to get the average number of flightsims the average person is using).

Edited December 23, 20223 yr by mSparks

1 hour ago, blingthinger said:

As I said a few posts up: none of the existing XP devs have abandoned the platform, even after seeing what you claim are 'disturbing' numbers. 

I disagree on this, based on working in the industry for some time (scenery devs). They did.. they just followed where the money was.

Also keep in mind that SASL, which is used by a lot of third party aircraft developers, has not been updated to XP12 standards yet. This is one cause for the rather small selection of available compatible aircraft in XP12 as many devs are waiting this out.

On 12/22/2022 at 11:34 AM, micstatic said:

To me the most interesting thing about this survey.  Reading the reactions from the specific "special interest" groups.  IE, reading the responses in the MSFS vs XP vs P3D forums.  It's actually fascinating the different takes people can have from the same data.  

100%.  Everyone will interpret the data differently to make their favorite sim appear better.  Glad we have options!

11 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

100%.  Everyone will interpret the data differently to make their favorite sim appear better.  Glad we have options!

 I make just two types of people interpreting the data.

Those of us planning to launch flight sim addons over the next 5 or 6 years, wanting to hit the biggest audience, with the least risk, minimum effort and greatest understanding possible of the end user.

And those desperate to prove microsoft is a safe investment.

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

 I make just two types of people interpreting the data.

Those of us planning to launch flight sim addons over the next 5 or 6 years, wanting to hit the biggest audience, with the least risk, minimum effort and greatest understanding possible of the end user.

And those desperate to prove microsoft is a safe investment.

Honest question ...

Given the budget and team thrown at FS2020, do you really forsee MS just rug-pulling the whole thing one day, shutting down the servers and saying "sorry, no more Flight Simulator anymore".

I just don't see that happening.   Yes, it did abandon it in the past, but now it would essentially be lights-out breaking something people are actually using and a vast third-party ecosystem dependant on it.  I see them as a permenant player now, not a "well let's give it a shot, if it doesn't work, forget it" type scenario.

Just curious.

5 hours ago, ryanbatc said:

100%.  Everyone will interpret the data differently to make their favorite sim appear better.  Glad we have options!

And there are some hilariously sophomoric interpretations of the data all over Avsim at the moment😅

I don’t have XP12 yet, but I’m sure it won’t take too much of an improvement on the scenery tech when it arrives to make it a no-brainer. Just an incredible time to be a simmer.

4 hours ago, Gulfstream said:

Yes, it did abandon it in the past, but now it would essentially be lights-out breaking something people are actually using and a vast third-party ecosystem dependant on it.

How is this different to when they abandoned it in the past?

Some of these optimistic interpretations of the data are some of the most hilarious things I've read in a while lol. You guys are hilarious!

I suggest this question is added to next years survey:

How many hours per week do you spend on forums ridiculing sims that you do not like? 

My guess is that the figures would be quite high for some users here, perhaps even higher than time spent using their chosen sim. I am actually being quite honest, this is not a joke. 



 

 

6 hours ago, Gulfstream said:

Given the budget and team thrown at FS2020, do you really forsee MS just rug-pulling the whole thing one day, shutting down the servers and saying "sorry, no more Flight Simulator anymore".

 

Wouldn't be a consideration if developing for MSFS wasn't accompanied with significant vendor lock in.

But since there is, that question is more "is it worth betting the ability to 'pay the mortgage' in 10 years on MS keeping the servers up".

But even that isn't what put me off, the clincher for me was an insanely large number of developers chasing an extremely exaggerated number of users.

Edited December 24, 20223 yr by mSparks

Developers are following the money. It’s what pays the bills. 

3 minutes ago, micstatic said:

Developers are following the money.

And the polo shirts.

Edited December 24, 20223 yr by GoranM

26 minutes ago, micstatic said:

Developers are following the money. It’s what pays the bills. 

Hence the large numbers who are

9 hours ago, mSparks said:

desperate to prove microsoft is was a safe investment.

and the odd

14 hours ago, tonywob said:

Developers really wanting to stand out on MFS really need to work extremely hard to stand out (modelling interiors of airports, animated passengers) but yet still charge cheap prices to out-price everyone else. Good for consumers, but I'm somewhat concerned on where things are heading long-term as it's not sustainable

Economics for that generally comes under

https://tropedia.fandom.com/wiki/Cab_Driver's_Fallacy

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy

Why is left to the reader.

Edited December 24, 20223 yr by mSparks