On 1/24/2023 at 9:01 AM, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Doesn’t work on a large screen (eye tracking), and a large screen is more of a game changer than eye tracking. 

As stated previously I have a Samsung G9 49" monitor - & it works superbly - dunno where that misinformation has sprung from - remeber Tobii has both head tracking & eye tracking - spend a bit of time with the sensitivity settings & you can get a truly amazing experience - I had Track IR & it was a pain in the whatever in my very bright room with a heap of windows - was totally useless on most days - night time was a bit better but since Tobii I have not looked back - BTW I also use a Varjo  Aero VR setup

34 minutes ago, Rattso said:

I have a Samsung G9 49" monitor - & it works superbly - dunno where that misinformation has sprung from

Misinformation? Its on their own website:- https://help.tobii.com/hc/en-us/articles/209528789-Using-an-eye-tracker-on-a-larger-screen-than-recommended

Eye tracking

For eye tracking, we need to track where you are looking on your screen and therefore the maximum screen size supported is 27" for 16:9 and 30" for 21:9. 

Also, your screen is a curved/wide screen. Its not a large screen like say a 50-60-70-80+ inch LG C1 for example, where Tobii does not work. I know, I have tried! They ain't wide like yours, they are large/Tall. I also have a wide one, where it did work for head tracking, but not eye tracking. On a large screen, trackIR works better. 

 

Edited January 25, 20233 yr by Ianrivaldosmith

On 1/23/2023 at 5:58 PM, Pivot said:

Only real issues, I have, is with other light sources getting picked up by the camera

I have been using Track IR for more than twelve years with a projector facing my screen - and thus my Track IR device - with no issue. The trick is to find the proper location for the device not to pick the other light sources (in my case the projector). However, using a projector also means having a room that is dimly lit otherwise one would loose on the quality of the image projected. The result though is that nothing beats this for total immersion since the image is real life size and Track IR gives total freedom to move around with almost no limits. Food for thoughts.

9 hours ago, Bernard Ducret said:

I have been using Track IR for more than twelve years with a projector facing my screen - and thus my Track IR device - with no issue. The trick is to find the proper location for the device not to pick the other light sources (in my case the projector). However, using a projector also means having a room that is dimly lit otherwise one would loose on the quality of the image projected. The result though is that nothing beats this for total immersion since the image is real life size and Track IR gives total freedom to move around with almost no limits. Food for thoughts.

Most of my issues have long since been cured for the TIR, other than, my frame on my glasses, but it's really minimal anyway.

Good Tobii review by my favorite reviewer.:  

sp

So w/ TrackIR or similar you're moving the task of focus from your mouse to your neck and head, or is it just your eyes, or both?

12 minutes ago, Noel said:

So w/ TrackIR or similar you're moving the task of focus from your mouse to your neck and head, or is it just your eyes, or both?

Tobii lets you do both at the same time just like in RL.

sp

1 hour ago, Noel said:

So w/ TrackIR or similar you're moving the task of focus from your mouse to your neck and head, or is it just your eyes, or both?

still  use  your  mouse  as  normal for  clicking   switches  but  for  viewing use  the  tr,  but  you   move  your  head  to  view   where  you  want  to  just like if  you were  sitting  in the  a/c, you  need  to keep  your  eyes focued on the  screen  and  just  move  your  head  slightly depending  on how  you  got  the  tr  set  up  either  for  more  movement of  your  head or  less

1 minute ago, pete_auau said:

still  use  your  mouse  as  normal for  clicking   switches  but  for  viewing use  the  tr,  but  you   move  your  head  to  view   where  you  want  to  just like if  you were  sitting  in the  a/c, you  need  to keep  your  eyes focued on the  screen  and  just  move  your  head  slightly depending  on how  you  got  the  tr  set  up  either  for  more  movement of  your  head or  less

How is it for people who have to get up several times per let's say hour?  Does it take much get resituated? 

Just now, Noel said:

How is it for people who have to get up several times per let's say hour?  Does it take much get resituated? 

yes  just  a matter  of  setting  a  key  bind  to centre  your  view on the  tr,   there  are  plenty of  guides  on  the  tr  on  how  to set  it  up

9 hours ago, Sky_Pilot071 said:

Good Tobii review by my favorite reviewer.:  

TL;DR

A long video with a lot of rhetoric but very little actual information. It's also evidently a sponsored video, with an affiliate link for you to purchase a Tobii.

We learn that 'for the most part, Tobii works like a TrackIR' but is 'sluggish', with 'a slight lag that doesn't really matter'. There is scant attention to eye tracking so we are left to infer what it does from the cursory examination of the setup options in MSFS. In passing, the attentive viewer will notice how limited the head tracking setup is compared to TrackIR, at least in MSFS. The narrator doesn't mention this, but we can see that pitch and yaw sensitivity can't be adjusted independently of each other. Likewise, there is no independent adjustment of X/Y/Z sensitivity, only a single setting for 'position' sensitivity. (He also incorrectly refers to the Z axis movement as 'zoom'.) Unlike TrackIR none of the axes have adjustable curves.

The advantages cited are: no headgear required, and no need to run a separate program outside of MSFS.

Edited January 26, 20233 yr by MarkDH

39 minutes ago, MarkDH said:

TL;DR

A long video with a lot of rhetoric but very little actual information. It's also evidently a sponsored video, with an affiliate link for you to purchase a Tobii.

We learn that 'for the most part, Tobii works like a TrackIR' but is 'sluggish', with 'a slight lag that doesn't really matter'. There is scant attention to eye tracking so we are left to infer what it does from the cursory examination of the setup options in MSFS. In passing, the attentive viewer will notice how limited the head tracking setup is compared to TrackIR, at least in MSFS. The narrator doesn't mention this, but we can see that pitch and yaw sensitivity can't be adjusted independently of each other. Likewise, there is no independent adjustment of X/Y/Z sensitivity, only a single setting for 'position' sensitivity. (He also incorrectly refers to the Z axis movement as 'zoom'.) Unlike TrackIR none of the axes have adjustable curves.

The advantages cited are: no headgear required, and no need to run a separate program outside of MSFS.

Summed up to a tee! 

47 minutes ago, MarkDH said:

how limited the head tracking setup is compared to TrackIR, at least in MSFS

So do we think this is something that Asobo can fix or hardware limitation?

1 hour ago, teletom said:

So do we think this is something that Asobo can fix or hardware limitation?

It would need to be addressed in the controller software for the device I would imagine.

Edited January 26, 20233 yr by Jazz

2 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Summed up to a tee! 

It's like a dumbed down Track IR.