2 minutes ago, Ojisan_alpha said:

I know - let's face it, beta testing needs a certain amount of masochism.

The problem to me is that Microsoft/Asobo beta testing is completely screwed up and always has been.
We don't get information about what has changed, no test scenarios, nothing. Systematic beta testing and bug-hunting could be so much more efficient...
 

Very true.

The issue with MS/Asobo's "Beta" where they invite the entire community to opt-in to get a beta copy of the current beta build... is anything but an actual beta program.

They certainly have an actual beta team (let's hope so anyway) where testers are methodically testing issues using both industry-accepted workflows and dedicated bug-tracking software to properly inform the development team of verified, validated and actual bugs.

The public beta we all refer to is just a marketing ploy mostly to push out a pre-release to the masses and let sheer numbers determine if a bug, that only manifests in such conditions (thousands of simmers all hitting it at once)..will pop up so they can pull it back and say "Oopsi...we made a boo boo, we're delaying it now until xx/xx/xxxx."  It is not an end-to-end beta program by any means...just one component of it (the last one as it were).

Generally speaking this is actually a good thing, with the sheer size of the whole simming environment...to have as your final pre-release "beta test" before actually putting it out, and discovering that you royally messed up afterwards.

 

51 minutes ago, Ojisan_alpha said:

The last two beta releases decreased LOD drastically (scenery pop in at close range, landing gear of landing FSLTL airliners visible only 500 yards away, nose gear even worse), increased stutter drastically when tuning the head and decreased fps on busy airports in an unacceptable way - I went down from 45 fps to 29 in KSFO, despite having a powerful machine (5900x/3090Ti) and frame generation.

Clearly if they released this with this kind of degradation EVERYONE will be parking MSFS until that is fixed, if indeed this is what is happening.  I'll go on record here to state emphatically no way they will release SU15 with this kind of problem, this kind of massive, show stopping problem.

3 hours ago, Ojisan_alpha said:

The last two beta releases decreased LOD drastically (scenery pop in at close range, landing gear of landing FSLTL airliners visible only 500 yards away, nose gear even worse), increased stutter drastically when tuning the head and decreased fps on busy airports in an unacceptable way - I went down from 45 fps to 29 in KSFO, despite having a powerful machine (5900x/3090Ti) and frame generation.
In average I estimate I lost about 25 - 30 percent fps from the second-to-last beta release .

Not to mention that the scenery tile problem is unsolved and the still broken WASM.

FS2020 always has been running really well on my machine - but if the curent beta release is what we are going to be stuck at for the remainder of the year, it's no fun anymore for me.

The actual state of SU15 beta is probably one of the worst regressions ever in FS2020.
A shame, considering that the first SU15 betas ran really well.

I'm sorry i don't have that same experience.

The sim has been smooth as glass for the last three days i have been using it. Mind you i had the same issues as you did initially but then i cleared out the sim cache and the dx shaders and all the stutters went away. (I also run my sim in dx12) not sure if you are referring to DX11 performance.

As for the tile bleed-through issues using dx12 at the airports. I have noticed that this has been improved a bit. (Not completely eradicated). If you like to be using the drone or switching views outside while on the tarmac a lot your chances for it happening increases but if you are more focused on getting your flight set up in the cockpit with an occasional view outside then it hardly happens (to me at least).

My TLOD is at 230 and i will agree with you that it would be nice to see the word not allowed wheels on the AI planes at a reasonable distance when on approach but apart from that i haven't noticed any major change to the TLOD as long as the servers aren't being hammered.

Overall i really enjoyed this latest beta version so far and have done more flights than usual this last couple of days.. but i know that the xbox side of the story is not that great and my rig is kind of an outlier since its an all AMD build.

Aircraft used this past few days with this beta build: Inibuilds A300 / PMDG 737 / FENIX A320 / A2A Comanche

Just my personal observations

My signature is in my spec.

Cheers

Edited May 7, 20242 yr by Maxis

10 minutes ago, Noel said:

 I'll go on record here to state emphatically no way they will release SU15 with this kind of problem, this kind of massive, show stopping problem.

"Show stopping" is in the eye of the beholder.

There's a guy on the official forum who's telling over and over again how great it is running with his Intel graphics card and that this release is the best ever since the invention of the wheel.

I got a couple of nasty remarks from Microsoft community managers when I pointed out that this guy is running a completely vanilla FS2020 without any addons at all and that his setup is not representative since he's the only person in this world using FS2020 without any addons at all........

Hopefully SU15 is not released in its current state, according to several of the previous comments.

Edited May 7, 20242 yr by edpatino

delay is not a bad thing, I wish they have more time to stabilize the new system update.

Edited May 7, 20242 yr by ethantoken

5 minutes ago, Maxis said:

I'm sorry i don't have that same experience.

The sim has been smooth as glass for the last three days i have been using it. Mind you i had the same issues as you did initially but then i cleared out the sim cache and the dx shaders and all the stutters went away. (I also run my sim in dx12) not sure if you are referring to DX11 performance.

 

DX12, 5900x, 3090Ti with FSR3 FG, all on ultra.
Caches et cetera all cleared out of course, tested with different DLSS versions, with, without FG.
5120x1440

May I know your traffic settings (FSLTL?) and the FS202 settings?
It is running stutter free, but the frame rate gets so low that turning the head quickly results in stutter where  it was completely smooth before with the same settings.
I could lower my settings of course - but that would be a step back that I'm not willing to take.

1 hour ago, Ojisan_alpha said:

DX12, 5900x, 3090Ti with FSR3 FG, all on ultra.
Caches et cetera all cleared out of course, tested with different DLSS versions, with, without FG.
5120x1440

May I know your traffic settings (FSLTL?) and the FS202 settings?
It is running stutter free, but the frame rate gets so low that turning the head quickly results in stutter where  it was completely smooth before with the same settings.
I could lower my settings of course - but that would be a step back that I'm not willing to take.

Here are my overall settings

Traffic (all AIG models and AIG Traffic Controller set at 85%) I would say i have 80 to 90 % of their flightplans installed for worldwide coverage. I do not use their additional airport vehicles that is disabled.

OS : Windows 10

Sim Graphics Settings

3440x1440 Resolution increased to 115%

DX 12 + VSYNC Off + TAA +TLOD 230 + Rest of the settings Stock Ultra

Graphic Drivers settings : AMD Fluid motion frames enabled. Freesync enabled.

Baseline frames locked at 40fps using RTSS-Afterburner (Framerate doubled by fluid motion frames in sim) 

 

 

Edited May 7, 20242 yr by Maxis

Same as Maxis, i have seen no issues since the last build, even completing a 6.5hr flight from OMAA - EGLL yesterday in the Horizon B789, But this has occurred before, where some are issue free, and others have problems.

They had better not release it with a reduced LOD. It is low enough already.

Personally, I could care less about SU15 itself. What troubles me is that it is holding up the release of the Duke. If it is going to be a long wait for SU15, hoping Black Square rethinks their position on holding off until after SU15 release...

7 minutes ago, lehbird said:

Personally, I could care less about SU15 itself. What troubles me is that it is holding up the release of the Duke. If it is going to be a long wait for SU15, hoping Black Square rethinks their position on holding off until after SU15 release...

here here!

11 minutes ago, lehbird said:

Personally, I could care less about SU15 itself. What troubles me is that it is holding up the release of the Duke. If it is going to be a long wait for SU15, hoping Black Square rethinks their position on holding off until after SU15 release...

The FSR500 is also waiting on SU15 for updates.  In hindsight it might have been better to release without being dependent on certain SU15 features and patch those in after it goes live.  Every delayed day is a day without income for those developers.

Edited May 7, 20242 yr by Gilandred

Well it's 1627Z and no sign of SU15.  As Microsoft are usually bang on time with these things, I guess it has been delayed again.  Whilst I'm looking forward to it, I would rather wait than have them push an update that was buggy especiallly as this is the last one of 2024.

6 minutes ago, lehbird said:

Personally, I could care less about SU15 itself. What troubles me is that it is holding up the release of the Duke. If it is going to be a long wait for SU15, hoping Black Square rethinks their position on holding off until after SU15 release...

There's nothing to rethink. If you rely on new functions coming with SU15 and/or you use WASM - what I assume blacksquare is doing - there is no way to release it for current SU14. SU15 wasm planes are not working in SU14. And its not only holding up blacksquare. A lot of devs are forced to delay new features and updates and new planes cause of this nightmare. We'll have to be patient.

T.