17 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

The problem is that we have become accustomed to being taken for stupid consumers without any consequences.

Are you speaking of developers or streamers?

If the former, I heartily disagree, and won't bother explaining the way the real world works.

If the latter, well, there's only a few that are genuinely trustworthy; and even then I evaluate their opinions as a group rather than taking just one's as gospel.

7 minutes ago, edu2703 said:

Honestly I feel like this pitch sensitive bug is being exacerbated by some specific joysticks/yokes or even specific configurations of these hardware, making it a much bigger problem than it should be.

I have already did 8 flights with the MD-11 and in none of them have I felt the aircraft pitching abruptly on landing with a subtle movement of my joystick (Logitech 3D Pro). Yes, I felt that it's more sensitive compared to other airliners, but it's far from something so severe that it's almost impossible to land manually.

The problem is that the MD-11 is pitch sensitive in real life, so it will be difficult for devs to get genuine feedback from people who understand the MD-11 versus from people who have no ideia and think the MD-11 should behave exactly like a 777.

But anyway, I'm not denying there is a problem with pitch sensitivity. There is and this has already been acknowledged by the devs. Hopefully the next update can at least improve that.

I find the vast majority of MSFS addons to be pitch sensitive, especially with my "short stroke" HOTAS stick.

1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said:

I find the vast majority of MSFS addons to be pitch sensitive, especially with my "short stroke" HOTAS stick.

Wouldn’t that make sense then? 

28 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

Wouldn’t that make sense then? 

Yessir - my point exactly.

IOW, a lot of "flight model problems" are more about unavoidably inaccurate hardware controls than other factors.

3 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Yessir - my point exactly.

IOW, a lot of "flight model problems" are more about unavoidably inaccurate hardware controls than other factors.

This should be a disclaimer on every aircraft purchase.

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Adjustment of sensitivity and reactivity settings may be necessary depending on peripheral setup

 

7 hours ago, Peter Z KCLE_EDDN said:

I haven’t seen one, Pete. I believe options are accessible solely through the EFB. There are quite a few options in there actually 👍.

Yep, I’ve had a chance to peruse through the EPB, and it’s chock full of good stuff.

Cheers, Pete

18 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I did just that, and had a perfect flight. Adjusted sensitivities, so pitch is quite a bit better. The aircraft respected all altitude constraints both on SID and STAR. Flew the whole flight in “managed” mode (NAV + PROF) ending in an ILS approach. Landing was not too tricky even with a fairly strong x-wind. Vref seems a bit low though, easy for speed to fall into the yellow range.

Good to hear you didnt ground her Captain. I sometimes wonder if at least some of the problems we are seeing with this bird are really just a very accurate simulation. 

From a real MD-11F incident report. 

 

The crew was cleared for a visual approach to runway 6R and they used the ILS course for guidance. The captain stated that the airplane flew through a little bit of turbulence when crossing the shoreline but it was nothing unusual. At 50 feet above the ground everything looked normal, but at 20 feet the captain stated he perceived an increase in the airplane's sink rate. He and the first officer (the flying pilot) both pulled the yoke back. The airplane hit the runway and bounced upward. The nose of the airplane began to pitch up and the crew pushed the yoke forward. The tail then struck the ground. The nose began to respond, and they landed normally.

The airplane received substantial damage. Approximately 32 feet of lower fuselage skin on the underside of the tail section was scraped and dented. There were small puncture/scrape holes in the skin. The aft pressure bulkhead and supporting steel structures were crushed and bent. The VHF antenna, located on the underside of the tail section, was sheared off.

 

Cheers

Terry

17 hours ago, Lucky38i said:

This should be a disclaimer on every aircraft purchase.

 

I have about any decent airliner for MSFS and use them all with a sensitivity of -20 with my Warthog Joystick. Sure, some aircraft are more sensitive (ATR), some less (Fenix), this is to be expected, and everyone knows that. If people - knowing all this - still find the MD11 (a huge, big wide body aircraft) to be overly sensitive in regards to pitch, I think it's clear that there's something to it. In other words: If I'm expected to use a sensitivy of -50 or even more instead of the -20 I use fine with each and every aircraft, it's a fault of the MD11. And I won't do it (and consequently won't purchase it). I don't think jumping through hoops for one single aircraft is the correct way.

I don't have the MD11 yet, because I find it irritating that the reviews are either *very* positive or *very* negative. And for 80$ I'm not going to just "give it a try", especially when I have a 777 in my hangar.

Edited July 7, 20241 yr by Fiorentoni

56 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

I have about any decent airliner for MSFS and use them all with a sensitivity of -20 with my Warthog Joystick. Sure, some aircraft are more sensitive (ATR), some less (Fenix), this is to be expected, and everyone knows that. If people - knowing all this - still find the MD11 (a huge, big wide body aircraft) to be overly sensitive in regards to pitch, I think it's clear that there's something to it. In other words: If I'm expected to use a sensitivy of -50 or even more instead of the -20 I use fine with each and every aircraft, it's a fault of the MD11. And I won't do it (and consequently won't purchase it). I don't think jumping through hoops for one single aircraft is the correct way.

I don't have the MD11 yet, because I find it irritating that the reviews are either *very* positive or *very* negative. And for 80$ I'm not going to just "give it a try", especially when I have a 777 in my hangar.

I do have MD-11 I did two flights in it. There are some odd autopilot behavior but I haven't noticed sensitivity issues differ from other MSFS airplanes frankly. MD-11 is definitely work in progress, one of the most annoying thing there is no dedicated EFB camera views like PMDG 737/777 and other airliners have

 

1 hour ago, sd_flyer said:

I do have MD-11 I did two flights in it. There are some odd autopilot behavior but I haven't noticed sensitivity issues differ from other MSFS airplanes frankly. MD-11 is definitely work in progress, one of the most annoying thing there is no dedicated EFB camera views like PMDG 737/777 and other airliners have

Do you not set up your own views?

Only asking because I do for literally every aircraft, number pad 0 to 9 based on where I want to look (ie 8 is overhead, 4 primary flight display(s), 5 FMS, generally 1 for EFB)...

Have done since ChasePlane back in p3d.

 

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7 minutes ago, Gazzareth said:

Do you not set up your own views?

Only asking because I do for literally every aircraft, number pad 0 to 9 based on where I want to look (ie 8 is overhead, 4 primary flight display(s), 5 FMS, generally 1 for EFB)...

Have done since ChasePlane back in p3d.

 

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When I'm not lazy or something bothers me too much LOL Still I think developer should provide good default view

44 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

When I'm not lazy or something bothers me too much LOL Still I think developer should provide good default view

Lol I've never used them, should probably try - although don't even know what they're bound to.... is it just the normal view keys?

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Interestingly 320 sim pilot did not mention anything about it being overly pitch sensitive.

17 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Interestingly 320 sim pilot did not mention anything about it being overly pitch sensitive.

This pitch sensitive isn't that bad in my opinion, just calibrate your joystick a bit and all is not bad, dosen't boder me that much like all people saying here around..

cheers 😉