2 minutes ago, pmplayer said:

This pitch sensitive isn't that bad in my opinion, just calibrate your joystick a bit and all is not bad, dosen't boder me that much like all people saying here around..

cheers 😉

I agree, although I also think @Fiorentoni makes a valid point. I’ve tuned down both sensitivity and reactivity and it’s a lot better. Certainly the most quirky and interesting airliner compared to the others in my virtual hangar. It might be worth getting just for the challenge and uniqueness. In its first edition, I don’t think it’s bad at all. 

3 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

I don't think jumping through hoops for one single aircraft is the correct way.

I wholly agree, my statement was more general and not specific to the MD-11. As it's a common occurence I've seen. I haven't bought the MD-11 yet as the consensus to some owners is to wait, which I Will gladly. Let's see the the 727 this month will have a less contentious launch

2 hours ago, Gazzareth said:

. is it just the normal view keys?

G

Yes by default it is ctrl 1 to 0

3 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Interestingly 320 sim pilot did not mention anything about it being overly pitch sensitive.

The pitch sensitive can be "hidden" by extremely relaxed sensitivities and reactivity settings (at least -60 percent)

But the major issue is the LSAS logic when it should and shouldnt engage. As you probably know, LSAS is only active when it senses <2lbs of force on the yoke. Anything over that grants you direct control to the elevators. And it is where TFDi has it somewhat wrong

It is already reported in their bug tracker by another customer.

"Describe the bug

It appears LSAS is active in a pitch attitude mode while hand-flying a gradual increasing-rate climb. When the simulated 2lb force is reached it snaps the elevator a degree or so.

Steps to reproduce

Handfly aircraft, begin gradual climb while slowly increasing back-pressure on yoke (Debug pitch up will allow monitoring of elevator incidence). At some point the elevator will snap 1+ degrees.

Expected behaviour

LSAS Pitch Attitude Hold or Automatic Pitch Trim should only be active if there is no force on the yoke. A gradually increasing backpressure should not incur LSAS, therefore there should be no LSAS manual override once a 2lb force is reached.

Auto Pitch Trim can also be identified as active following "Stabilizer Motion" trim warnings while hand-flying (and maintaining positive pressures on the yoke) and no manual trim inputs."

Link:

https://github.com/invernyx/md11-bugs/issues/1577

The elevators are haunted in the current version 🤫

Edited July 7, 20241 yr by SAS443

1 hour ago, SAS443 said:

But the major issue is the LSAS logic when it should and shouldnt engage. As you probably know, LSAS is only active when it senses <2lbs of force on the yoke. Anything over that grants you direct control to the elevators. And it is where TFDi has it somewhat wrong

Interesting! Thanks for the detailed description.

On my latest flight from La Paz to Cusco, at cruise FL340 in full “managed” mode, full thrust was set, despite managed speed target only requiring around 70% thrust. This persisted despite turning ATS off then on, and autoflight off then on. 

The pitch issue I think I can deal with. Did my first landing with flaps 50 at Cusco (10700ft) - that is a LOT of flaps! The more I fly the MD-11, the more I like it.

If anyone’s interested, here’s a short flight in South Korea: https://youtu.be/GcSN9f0OHMU?si=MipMicsQzE0D4hI4

7 hours ago, Gazzareth said:

Do you not set up your own views?

Only asking because I do for literally every aircraft, number pad 0 to 9 based on where I want to look (ie 8 is overhead, 4 primary flight display(s), 5 FMS, generally 1 for EFB)...

Have done since ChasePlane back in p3d.

 

I do this as well for every aircraft but have these custom views bounded to controller buttons.

Bruce

9 hours ago, SAS443 said:

The pitch sensitive can be "hidden" by extremely relaxed sensitivities and reactivity settings (at least -60 percent)

But the major issue is the LSAS logic when it should and shouldnt engage. As you probably know, LSAS is only active when it senses <2lbs of force on the yoke. Anything over that grants you direct control to the elevators. And it is where TFDi has it somewhat wrong

It is already reported in their bug tracker by another customer.

"Describe the bug

It appears LSAS is active in a pitch attitude mode while hand-flying a gradual increasing-rate climb. When the simulated 2lb force is reached it snaps the elevator a degree or so.

Steps to reproduce

Handfly aircraft, begin gradual climb while slowly increasing back-pressure on yoke (Debug pitch up will allow monitoring of elevator incidence). At some point the elevator will snap 1+ degrees.

Expected behaviour

LSAS Pitch Attitude Hold or Automatic Pitch Trim should only be active if there is no force on the yoke. A gradually increasing backpressure should not incur LSAS, therefore there should be no LSAS manual override once a 2lb force is reached.

Auto Pitch Trim can also be identified as active following "Stabilizer Motion" trim warnings while hand-flying (and maintaining positive pressures on the yoke) and no manual trim inputs."

Link:

https://github.com/invernyx/md11-bugs/issues/1577

The elevators are haunted in the current version 🤫

At discord people say to shot of this LSAS pitch buttons on the overhead panel and this seems to make this pitch issue a lot better to handle, didn't tried yet but i will at a next flight..

cheers 😉

28 minutes ago, pmplayer said:

At discord people say to shot of this LSAS pitch buttons on the overhead panel and this seems to make this pitch issue a lot better to handle, didn't tried yet but i will at a next flight..

cheers 😉

I concur, I also shut off LSAS at times, especially in gusty weather.

However...for a 70USD addon, one would expect proper operation of the more distinguished systems found in the plane, no? 

Right now it's borked. Which is rather unfortunate IMO.

 

 

15 hours ago, Lucky38i said:

 Let's see the the 727 this month will have a less contentious launch

727 this month ? Who from? 

Cheers

Terry 

 

2 hours ago, SAS443 said:

I concur, I also shut off LSAS at times, especially in gusty weather.

However...for a 70USD addon, one would expect proper operation of the more distinguished systems found in the plane, no? 

Right now it's borked. Which is rather unfortunate IMO.

 

 

You right, but give the Dev's some time they working on first updates and i think this issue gets a fix with upcoming updates.

cheers 😉

2 hours ago, Lord Farringdon said:

727 this month ? Who from? 

Cheers

Terry 

 

https://msfsaddons.com/2024/06/22/flightsim-studio-announces-boeing-727-200-freighter-for-microsoft-flight-simulator/

I have enjoyed the MD11 very much especially using FSIPanel and doing pattern work. It is not a Boeing and I find it refreshing to learn more systems. Yes there are a few issues but I have completed about 50 pattern work scenarios and it has been fun. One issue that keeps coming up is the plane will blow through the 250 restrictions sometimes after takeoff. Also it will not capture the glideslope every time. I have not figured out why. Just curious has anyone else experienced this?

10 minutes ago, cchiozza said:

One issue that keeps coming up is the plane will blow through the 250 restrictions sometimes after takeoff.

I’ve seen the same.  I know with some heavies the 250/10,000 limit is not enabled by default because they need to go faster to safely climb at heavy weights, I’m not sure if the MD-11 is one of them.  

Edited July 8, 20241 yr by regis9

1 hour ago, regis9 said:

I’ve seen the same.  I know with some heavies the 250/10,000 limit is not enabled by default because they need to go faster to safely climb at heavy weights, I’m not sure if the MD-11 is one of them.  

FMS speed will default to VCL (operational climb speed) after all engine acceleration altitude. If you are heavy, VCL will exceed 250kts, thus being the magenta PITCH target when in FMS Speed.

 

Edited July 8, 20241 yr by SAS443

 

On 7/8/2024 at 11:30 AM, pmplayer said:

You right, but give the Dev's some time they working on first updates and i think this issue gets a fix with upcoming updates.

cheers 😉

Thing is, currently LSAS is essentially doing the opposite of what its whole point is and also makes the plane easier to fly without while it should be easier to fly with it enabled. It's engineered the wrong way, and I'm not sure if that's such an easy and quick fix because it sounds like LSAS would need a rewrite and perhaps even parts of the flight model (I'm no expert however). Turning it off to fly the aircraft in a state which is plain wrong (easier to fly while the real aircraft would be harder to fly) while using extreme reactivity or sensitivity settings isn't the way to go.

It's one of the unique systems to augment some of the unique flying characteristics of the MD-11. That should be done right if your price is higher than other aircraft addons offering higher fidelity. Not sure how this went unnoticed in testing or why it was released without correcting that.

It's the fact that after almost 2 years of pre-order and pre-purchase and an $80 price tag the plane ends up with LSAS upside down and other issues like N1 hunting and pitch oscillations which doesn't instill a lot of confidence for me. Obviously, it's far from unflyable and not necessarily a show stopper, but these issues aren't just the usual after-release issues like forgetting an APU sound file or mirrored textures. Rather, systems and flight model seem to be flawed in certain ways.

Just my 2 cents and I don't mean to "hate" on it. But as someone who's looking for true-to-life behavior and fidelity in aircraft addons, this is a bit of a worry so far.