2 minutes ago, Lord Farringdon said:

I couldn't get airborne with that commentary from V1 and gave up. I think he needs a few patches himself. He talks too fast and then too slow. He accuses the MD-11 of being all over the place yet that's exactly how he comes across. Honestly, RSR is a much better communicator! 

So I didn't watch all of it but he seems to be hung up on an impression that this is really just a P3D plane. He didn't actually say it was a port but you could feel him trying not to say it. He said some textures were a mess..more like P3D. He never showed us an example but then went on to show us the overhead panel textures which he praised. I lost interest in him about that time but not before he turned himself in circles over which way the mouse wheel should roll to select a switch. He said we should expect more for an $80 airplane when you compare the PMDG 777 at $7.00 cheaper. Of course he ignored the fact that he had previously admitted he had bought both the pax and the freight version where as the PMDG price is for only one aircraft.  He then blamed the TFDi MD-11 for not being able to log into Navigraph on the EFB, when he admitted he had done it before. We have all seen plenty of streamers with their charts on the MD-11 EFB so this was most definitely his problem. But hey. He was on a role to discredit the TFDi MD-11 so why stop there. He concluded even before finishing the FMC input  that this airplane was a just a Beta...oh a very good Beta he added. He clearly seemed to have an idealogical bent against this aircraft and admitted he had never liked the IRL MD-11 which he termed the MD-111. So its seems like it was just trying to justify his long held view.  

This was all in the first 25 mins and in my view had completely discredited himself as an impartial reviewer. We get it V1. You don't like the MD-11!! Perhaps you could ask for a refund? 

I couldn't watch the next 3.00hrs of this claptrap. You couldn't see his chat but whenever someone supported his view you heard about it.  So, it doesn't surprise me that he found fault with the flight model and probably many other things but on the basis on what I saw, in my view that has no credibility. 

Now I'm not ignoring the fact that the TFDi MD-11 is not as polished as the B777. That's a fact and TFDi are putting out patches which reflect that.  And we do need reviewers to point out the issues even if they dont always accord with what we have seen. But V1's reviews basically read like the boss had called TFDi into his office and was tearing strips and there was no right of reply.

I don't know what V1's motive was for lambasting the airplane at the rate he did in that short time including offering his opinion that it was only Beta level but, it was an appalling 25 mins I saw. So before anybody starts grounding their MD-11 or decides not to purchase, just take a wider view. There are plenty of more supportive and balanced streams out there and one bad review from a pent up reviewer shouldn't be show stopper. The MD-11 was a very complex and sometimes difficult to manage airplane in real life so streamers, who are IRL pilots would be cautious if not rated on type when discussing handling and maneuvering characteristics.

Disclaimer: I have no idea id V1 is an IRL pilot or not but, assume he is.   

 

Cheers

Terry      

The good old "Cui bono?" comes to a different conclusion: I would much rather have my doubts about streamers *praising* an aircraft than those doing the opposite. Streamers depend on aircraft developers, because they give them preview versions and by that popularity and by that money in the end. So there's a good reason for praising an aircraft that's actually not that good. But why would any streamer do the opposite and on purpose (as you imply)?

In case V1 simulations opinion is not worthy.

Another streamer which has a very credible track record is Blackbox711. And he also comments on the pitch issue.

(Fast forward to 1hr 33min and 20 seconds in this Review )

 

I own the plane. I've done 50 or so approaches in the pattern. I've seen 20 odd streamers struggle with it, some of those both seasoned simmers and airline pilots.

I still stand with the opinion that something is not right with the plane. And I will die on that hill. 😄

1 minute ago, SAS443 said:

I've seen 20 odd streamers struggle with it

I bet none of them bothered to read the manual, let alone the fcoms. I'd also bet most or all of them couldn't hold level pitch and roll in a 152 for 30 seconds in calm weather. 

To borrow and change an old quote :

Those who can't DO... TEACH 

Those who can't TEACH.... CRITICISE 

Those who can't CRITICISE.... Make YouTube videos. 

Seeing as I, myself, do also actually make YouTube videos I can get away with that criticism hehe. 

36 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

The good old "Cui bono?" comes to a different conclusion: I would much rather have my doubts about streamers *praising* an aircraft than those doing the opposite. Streamers depend on aircraft developers, because they give them preview versions and by that popularity and by that money in the end. So there's a good reason for praising an aircraft that's actually not that good. But why would any streamer do the opposite and on purpose (as you imply)?

 

"Cui bono"? I dont give free passes to any streamer no matter which way they roll, unless they can display and describe the issue properly so there is no doubt. Black box is an example of a good streamer. As to why V1 would to have such an overwhelming negative review, I have no idea. But he's in the streaming for profit business and was playing to his unseen chat audience who were making pledges. Business was booming so that's the angle he took I guess perhaps also with a long held bias. Who knows, but it was very nitpicky and he admitted as much.  I would describe it more as an attack review by a shock jock and not one I would personally give any credit too.  It's no different to the streamers giving glowing superlatives (becasue they were picked by the developer) while completing ignoring the obvious issues happening around them. But hey, if some people decide not to purchase the MD-11 on V1's review alone, then all power to them.  But they should look at TFDi's quick response and the patch list they are working on.   

 

11 minutes ago, SAS443 said:

In case V1 simulations opinion is not worthy.

Another streamer which has a very credible track record is Blackbox711. And he also comments on the pitch issue.

(Fast forward to 1hr 33min and 20 seconds in this Review )

 

I own the plane. I've done 50 or so approaches in the pattern. I've seen 20 odd streamers struggle with it, some of those both seasoned simmers and airline pilots.

I still stand with the opinion that something is not right with the plane. And I will die on that hill. 😄

I was particularly interested in his comments about inertia not being modeled in the sim. I suppose delaying the airplanes response to control movements would help but in the end inertia is difficult to simulate sitting in a chair front of a computer screen. Yet it is an important feedback mechanism when actually flying. So his comments about the g effect of the modelled pitch in the MD-11 were right on. 

Blackbox explained it well and it has been noted by many. But, it's not a showstopper.  There's a patch coming for this, right? 

Cheers

Terry

 

7 minutes ago, Lord Farringdon said:

But, it's not a showstopper.  There's a patch coming for this, right? 

No, not a show stopper, but manual flight is really not that entertaining IMHO. It feels so out of tune and volatile. Cant Imagine landing that thing in gusty conditions, when you really need to be in sync with the airplane.

And yes, TFDi is working on it + many other items. They are usually very good at quickly addressing issues found in the release version.

V1 is giving it another go at 1300 EST.

 

1 hour ago, Fiorentoni said:

The good old "Cui bono?" comes to a different conclusion: I would much rather have my doubts about streamers *praising* an aircraft than those doing the opposite. Streamers depend on aircraft developers, because they give them preview versions and by that popularity and by that money in the end. So there's a good reason for praising an aircraft that's actually not that good. But why would any streamer do the opposite and on purpose (as you imply)?

There's one streamer who's so positive about it, despite it doing some really funky stuff that they just seem to gloss straight over, that.....whilst I wouldn't say it was suspicious, it certainly looks like someone who wants to keep the vendor happy so they keep getting exclusive access to aircraft so they can monetise it.

I watched a couple of Youtube videos of the 777 where it was obvious the streamer had just rushed to get a "tutorial" online before release so that they could be the first and get all the precious viewing revenue, and then went on to say "LOL windshear" several times during approach when it was clear the aircraft was just out of trim as per the FBW capabilities of the aircraft, which Blackbox then went on to explain in great detail in a live stream.

Kids and retired guys with PPLs in their bedrooms are not the best people to be giving these exclusive pre-release previews.

All in my humble opinion of course.

While I’m not as qualified as our favorite line captains on YouTube, I’m just a regular PPL/SEL and was once typed on the CRJ200 20+ years ago. I’ve had a completely unexpected fantastic first experience last evening with the freighter. For now, the only changes I made was to change “reactivity” in sensitivity settings, and it nearly eliminated twitchiness. (I used CaptCanada’s sensitivity settings). 

Fortunately I remembered way more from PMDG’s MD 11 than I had expected. Setting up my first flight was flawless with simbrief integration. Followed my memory flows from like 8 years ago and I was up in the air without a single issue. No autothrottle problems whatsoever. Enroute was eventless and the landing a bit firm (I don’t like how they simulate touchdown in the MD 11, it feels like you have the biggest and bounciest struts), but that might just be me.

Overall, if you know your MD 11 procedures well I think you’ll enjoy this add-on, even in its current stage. It does need some work on the actual model and texturing, but sitting in the cockpit provided me with enough of a feeling of flying a really heavy old airplane. And that’s what I was looking for.

Hope this helps.

Pete

I like it, and i don't see it as unflyable whatsoever. Granted there are a few issues eg, the pitch sensitivity, and the engines ng constantly hunting in cruise. But the rest is very good. My first flight was KSDF-EGNX including hand flying the approach. I agree for the price point these issues should not have arisen, but i would hope are easily fixed in a forthcoming update.

13 minutes ago, Car147 said:

I like it, and i don't see it as unflyable whatsoever. Granted there are a few issues eg, the pitch sensitivity, and the engines ng constantly hunting in cruise. But the rest is very good. My first flight was KSDF-EGNX including hand flying the approach. I agree for the price point these issues should not have arisen, but i would hope are easily fixed in a forthcoming update.

Regarding autothrust fluctuations in cruise I read somewhere that two unsynchronized altimeters might cause that. Set them both to standard 29.92 or 1013 and see if that makes a difference.

Cheers,

Pete

Stolen with pride from a Redditor who -supposedly- is an MD11 Skipper. Take it for what its worth, as always..

(Bolded below is my emphasis)

"TFDi MD-11

(Pros:)** They simulate the systems very good with how low frame rates the displays really are in real life vs Rotate MD11 having it very smooth which isn't accurate considering the systems are slow to respond including the MCDU. Taxi handling is better than the rotates i can say for sure, they simulated how heavy the gear steers the plane. Especially based on sharp or hard turn corners during the taxi ways.

(Cons:)** Had a few bugs takes off and approach from the flight models. First one being **Longitudinal Stability Augmentation System (LSAS)** Has a weird way with repeating osculating the nose up and down during both takes off and landing like increasing and decreasing the planes nose up and down in a cycle until you gain more speed. Cruise flight issue with the N1% on how the engine osculates during **CRZ Thrust**, the engines do not do this in real life. Even if you had the speed below **Mach .81** for the cruise speed. The temporary work around i found is getting the Mach speed at or above Mach .81. Sometimes errors with how the flight path line is drawn in a crazy kids arts and craft drawing like on a wall. Unrealistically but sometimes, disabling the LSAS some reason works in your favor when landing for touch down, which this is completely wrong."

So there you go.

Today one YouTuber mentioned that the front gear has visual glitches on it´s rear folding struts (parts of the gear seem to be missing and one strut that should be one piece is cut in two). And when rotating the camera around the rear main gear the brake fluid hoses pop in and out and keep disappearing depending on the camera angle.

But otherwise a very good looking plane with just a few minor glitches to fix 🙂 love the YouTube previews and reviews that are showing up more and more.

Last night I said that she’s grounded for now. But don’t want to give up on her yet, so I’ll do another flight whilst making sure I do absolutely everything in the correct order.

Btw, how do you use time acceleration? The PMDG 777 has options in the EFB, but when flying the MD-11?

2 hours ago, Car147 said:

I like it, and i don't see it as unflyable whatsoever. Granted there are a few issues eg, the pitch sensitivity, and the engines ng constantly hunting in cruise. But the rest is very good. My first flight was KSDF-EGNX including hand flying the approach. I agree for the price point these issues should not have arisen, but i would hope are easily fixed in a forthcoming update.

I haven't seen anyone claim it's unflyable

Just now, Cpt_Piett said:

Last night I said that she’s grounded for now. But don’t want to give up on her yet, so I’ll do another flight whilst making sure I do absolutely everything in the correct order.

Btw, how do you use time acceleration? The PMDG 777 has options in the EFB, but when flying the MD-11?

MSFS has built-in time accel....something like CTRL and Numpad + / - , but there is no visual indication where you're at

There is a simrate app at flightsim.to that has a gui interface for this and is easier to use