3 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

Yeah no. They weren't even considering a 2024 back then.

Nice try Jorg.

3 hours ago, TheFamilyMan said:

Was initially misled by the Atmos name, thought it was sound enhancement, ala Dolby Atmos.

Which tells you something about how ineffective their marketing campaign has been so far at explaining what Atmos is, and how users can expect to benefit.

When they initially released the website, it contained a single screenshot. That's not a basis to form an opinion on, and worse, it almost looks as if they're trying to hide something. They've very quickly added more screenshots -- but why not do that from the get-go, to show people the variety of situations the product is capable of handling?

Terms like "true Rayleigh scattering" don't help either. Most people wouldn't know how that translates into a better sim experience for them.

Why not say something like this: "Improves the lighting and coloring of the sky and clouds. Eliminates the unrealistic 'volcanic ash' look. Based on a physically accurate model of how light interacts with the atmosphere." This actually says mostly the same thing as "true Rayleigh scattering", but it puts it in terms that users are much more likely to understand.

I actually think there's a lot of potential here, but REX hasn't done a good job explaining it.

1 hour ago, martinboehme said:

Which tells you something about how ineffective their marketing campaign has been so far at explaining what Atmos is, and how users can expect to benefit.

The initial announcement was pretty clear it was a lighting addon to MSFS.  I may agree only one screen grab wasn't enough, but even the first one was of MSFS.

1 hour ago, martinboehme said:

it almost looks as if they're trying to hide something.

They have released a new screen grab regularly.  You don't agree with their strategy, but it hardly translates into hiding something.

1 hour ago, martinboehme said:

Terms like "true Rayleigh scattering" don't help either

I would think most on the forum understand the term because it has been discussed many, many times here.

 

16 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

1 hour ago, martinboehme said:

it almost looks as if they're trying to hide something.

They have released a new screen grab regularly.  You don't agree with their strategy, but it hardly translates into hiding something.

Read carefully. I'm not saying they're actually trying to hide something. I'm saying that initially putting just a single screenshot on the website looks as if they're trying to hide something. It's a bad idea to look as if you have something to hide when that's not actually the case.

19 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

1 hour ago, martinboehme said:

Terms like "true Rayleigh scattering" don't help either

I would think most on the forum understand the term because it has been discussed many, many times here.

The discussion and back and forth on the ten pages of this thread about what Atmos actually is tells me that "true Rayleigh scattering" doesn't give most users an accurate idea of how the tool will benefit them.

Avsim forum members tend to be a pretty knowledgeable bunch. If people here have a hard time understanding what the product does, that will be even more true for simmers in general.

15 hours ago, abennett said:

To me it is ridiculous they ban such things, when in my opinion, these techniques can clearly make the sim better.

It’s not ridiculous, because where do you draw the line on memory injection. Modifying memory values can potentially lead to very nefarious results. I’m not implying you or Rex is trying to do this but there’s a reason MSFS has opted for using WASM as opposed to DLLs, they pose security risks.

We can all acknowledge the simconnect API is lacking for a multitude of things that the likes of REX and AS would love to have and are thus resorting to memory injection but there’s good reasons Asobo doesn’t allow this, at least not in an official capacity. 
 

I don’t think you’ll find any software company that promotes memory injection to achieve a desired result.

54 minutes ago, martinboehme said:

The discussion and back and forth on the ten pages of this thread about what Atmos actually is tells me that "true Rayleigh scattering" doesn't give most users an accurate idea of how the tool will benefit them.

You have to agree partially that REX did obviously everything right from a marketing perspective when a product not yet released with so little information leads to a 10 page thread on avsim 😉 Hype is generated and this will pay in the end for REX

1 hour ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I would think most on the forum understand the term because it has been discussed many, many times here

So their target audience is experienced simmers who visit here often? I think they should not use technical terms when explaining what their product does.

Edited September 5, 20241 yr by Rimshot

40 minutes ago, AnkH said:

You have to agree partially that REX did obviously everything right from a marketing perspective when a product not yet released with so little information leads to a 10 page thread on avsim 😉 Hype is generated and this will pay in the end for REX

A lot of people reacted to the announcement with "I don't need this, I can already do the same thing with ReShade or Nvidia Freestyle". Surely that can't be in REX's interest?

I think they would have gotten at least the same amount of hype if they had better explained from the outset what the product does.

On 8/31/2024 at 9:25 PM, timest said:

To answer your question though, it's compatible with everything, including default real weather, weather engines,

Then I'll probably get it.  From the limited previews, it looks good

13 minutes ago, martinboehme said:

A lot of people reacted to the announcement with "I don't need this, I can already do the same thing with ReShade or Nvidia Freestyle". Surely that can't be in REX's interest?

Depends. At least REX got their attention and I bet most of those giving this statement will still check if the REX product is not providing anything better than just filters or ReShade. If yes, they will buy it. If no, they wont have bought it anyway.

35 minutes ago, AnkH said:

I bet most of those giving this statement will still check if the REX product is not providing anything better than just filters or ReShade. If yes, they will buy it. If no, they wont have bought it anyway.

Just to say, if it wasn't for FinalLightNL's description of how Atmos actually works within MSFS, I would have completely ignored this. After his reply, which filled in the information gap caused by Rex, I'm now likely to buy it.

I don't care what happens behind the scenes. I care about using a simple UI and adding a preset that looks good to my eyes. I can care less about all the technical stuff. When it comes to modern UIs, REX is ahead of most devs. That's just my opinion.

2 minutes ago, CFIJose said:

When it comes to modern UIs, REX is ahead of most devs. That's just my opinion.

Disagree. It took them years to finally include some sort of notification what preset is currently installed into your sim in REX Accuseason for example. If I am not wrong, it was never added in any other UI from REX. It looks visually nice, correct, but thats it. 

1 minute ago, AnkH said:

Disagree. It took them years to finally include some sort of notification what preset is currently installed into your sim in REX Accuseason for example. If I am not wrong, it was never added in any other UI from REX. It looks visually nice, correct, but thats it. 

I don't care! I care about how the sim looks to my eyes. Don't sweat the small stuff.

7 hours ago, Frostbitexp said:

Nice try Jorg.

No