23 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

PMDG and Just Flight are the exemplars here.

So again, are Fenix's expectations realistic...?

I don't think so.

Fenix's 'problem' is not "there's just not enough people interested in 'all-singing all-dancing' airliners to sell them at a lower price". (which isn't that far away from PMDG or JF pricing). Rather, it's the time they have taken to release two revenue-generating products, resulting in higher costs and profit margin being squeezed.

In the time Fenix released their two products, PMDG has released five (not including the DC-6) and JustFlight has released three airliners and four light GA products.

Not forgetting, v2 of their A320 was free when many other devs would have charged for the re-write *and* the server bandwidth costs for thousands of full product downloads for the early patches, hotfixes and updates. Hopefully cost control is tighter for their next project.

5 minutes ago, John_Tavendale said:

It's great news to see FSL back with a product for MSFS.

 

And where is exactly that product (FSL) for MSFS. There is no official announcement yet and at this point many people do not even care.

I am sure many people care. They might just not be vocal about it...

Just now, John_Tavendale said:

I am sure many people care. They might just not be vocal about it...

They probably will get a few hundred sales at most. 

19 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

Fenix's 'problem' is not "there's just not enough people interested in 'all-singing all-dancing' airliners to sell them at a lower price". (which isn't that far away from PMDG or JF pricing). Rather, it's the time they have taken to release two revenue-generating products, resulting in higher costs and profit margin being squeezed.

In the time Fenix released their two products, PMDG has released five (not including the DC-6) and JustFlight has released three airliners and four light GA products.

Not forgetting, v2 of their A320 was free when many other devs would have charged for the re-write *and* the server bandwidth costs for thousands of full product downloads for the early patches, hotfixes and updates. Hopefully cost control is tighter for their next project.

Agree - and well said.

 

2 hours ago, John_Tavendale said:

I am sure many people care. They might just not be vocal about it...

Keep dreaming maybe 00.50% of the the people using MSFS would care about another A320 and that even includes FS(MW)Labs products.

4 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

They probably will get a few hundred sales at most. 

That "malware incident" seems to have created a blind spot in the wing mirrors of some flightsim users. FSLabs have had an extended period of time to see what Fenix has delivered in MSFS. I would be astonished if that has not motivated them to both improve (and possibly expand) on that.

Is that the same loose definition of "many care" as the "many people still using P3D" mentioned earlier in this thread? 

Too bad it wasn’t an A321LR or I’d be all in.  

I can’t imagine what this one will do significantly different / better than the Fenix for me to shell out more money.

I pity the fool who tries to put malware on my PC.

It's nice to see Fslabs going back to their modus operandi, complete silence🤔

Imo they are very late for joining the party. P3D-version was awesome but can they catch up with fenix, time will tell. As i have all fenix-variants already, fslabs sure has to have some magic trick to outperform fenix to convince me....maybe they will surprise us who knows..

Edited November 16, 20241 yr by MPL

You can say a lot of bad things about FSlabs as a company especially with the malware and lack of communication but the few real 320 pilots I know who are not youtubers/influencers still use p3d and FSlabs as their desktop simulator for their day to day.

On 11/14/2024 at 7:05 PM, John_Tavendale said:

I am sure many people care. They might just not be vocal about it...

I bought everything they produced for P3D except the Concorde, and it was my favorite airplane in P3D.

I'll be frank - I don't care. I've moved on, it's been 4 years, and they haven't deigned to even offer previews in that time. Fenix has rightly eaten their lunch - time to go out of business or move on to a different market segment.

😂 you know fine well you'll buy it if it turns out to be better than expected. Fenix has plenty of issues, let's be honest. It's good for sure but it's not perfect.