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PMDG 777F MSFS 2020 Released Dec 6

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Surprised at the price for this one myself and agree with some others that I would have given it a whirl at around $40 but I don't do enough cargo ops to justify $55 for something that will probably get a lot more hangar time than flight time.  I am so happy with the -300 it's not like I am "needing" another 777 at the moment.  

Now if this were a 747-F different story altogether.  

Maybe they are trying to set the precedent for when they "are" able to release it to 2024... 

Either way I'll stick with my 737-800 and my 777-300 the first of which was free with my coupon from P3D purchases and I am quite satisfied.  

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  • Sixteen pages of threads...and plenty of nay-sayers. Nothing invokes more emotion here on Avsim than a thread involving either PMDG or FSLabs. I bought the 777F on day one...not my usual MO.

  • I ordered a burger for lunch today and when I ordered a second one, they tried to charge me the full price. I said no thank you and walked out. I'll never go back again after being treated that way.

  • That's a crock of word not allowed  

17 hours ago, rjquick said:

I ordered a burger for lunch today and when I ordered a second one, they tried to charge me the full price. I said no thank you and walked out. I'll never go back again after being treated that way.

Your comparison does not hold completely when it comes to 'physical' things vs 'digital' things.

To get your second burger it had to go separately through the whole production process from start to finish. No raw material of the first burger you got has been used again for the second one. Part of the manufacturing process might have been shared between the two.

It is slightly different for code and 3D models. There are no raw materials here...
Big parts if not most of the system logic and the art assets did not have to be created again for the cargo version of the 777 so I can see why giving a discount when buying additional version might make sense.

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1 hour ago, Skytatoo said:

Too little too late and absolutely too expensive. Fenix, iFly and Justflight are far beyond PMDG's offerings these days.

I own the Fenix and the PMDG 737-777. The Fenix sits in the hangar gathering dust most of the time. 

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The analogy is, that you get your burger, and would have liked it with a slice of bacon.  So they grab the burger you just paid for, put bacon on it and charge you again.  That’s not a perfect analogy either, because the entire scenario can’t be correlated to digital vs physical products, as literally anybody could understand.  PMDG is not coding each aircraft individually for customers, and they are never going to run out.

2 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I own the Fenix and the PMDG 737-777. The Fenix sits in the hangar gathering dust most of the time. 

Yep, I can see them in there in the hangar, gathering dust next to my pmdg 737s

1 hour ago, anden145 said:

It'll be a pass for me... I was kinda looking forward to it, but $55 is too much in my opinion... 

What kinda befuddles me, is that the pricing generally seems high, compared to P3D. They increased their pricing, for P3D, under the excuse/explanation, that they had special license agreements, to enter that market, and that they had different considerations, which had to be taken into account, given their license agreement. 

 

In MSFS total PMDG 737-series is:

  • PMDG 737-600 is $34,99
  • PMDG 737-700 is $74,99
  • PMDG 737-800 is $69,99
  • PMDG 737-900 is $49,99

Total is (as of date of writing) $229,96.

Now, I know that this is not that precise. But it was just to give a picture of the differences and pricing. I could understand PMDG's reasoning for the price-increase, when the PMDG was developed for P3D. But I don't know... 🙂

Anyway - I guess, that when prices are climbing... they have a hard time descending again. That's not different from anywhere else in the world or line of work.

I guess I can hope for a sale at some point. 🙂

You forgot, in MSFS the 737-800 includes the 737-, two freighters BDSF , BCF, and the BBJ  Executive jet,  That is 4 different aircraft for $69.99

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, Sylle said:

Your comparison does not hold completely when it comes to 'physical' things vs 'digital' things.

To get your second burger it had to go separately through the whole production process from start to finish. No raw material of the first burger you got has been used again for the second one. Part of the manufacturing process might have been shared between the two.

It is slightly different for code and 3D models. There are no raw materials here...
Big parts if not most of the system logic and the art assets did not have to be created again for the cargo version of the 777 so I can see why giving a discount when buying additional version might make sense.

Actually he's 100% correct. When you buy digital things, you don't buy a thing - you buy a license to use the thing. So each time you buy a license,you pay a fixed price for each license which is a real thing - just like the hamburger. 

well I bought it.  It's exactly what I expected.  Could be better, but still dependable.  For some reason when it comes to freight I find the inibuilds A300 freighter more enjoyable to fly.  But apples to oranges

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2 minutes ago, Mike T said:

Actually he's 100% correct. When you buy digital things, you don't buy a thing - you buy a license to use the thing. So each time you buy a license,you pay a fixed price for each license which is a real thing - just like the hamburger. 

Lol yes. The saying used to be you cant have your cake AND eat it. Now you can't have it OR eat it all you can do is watch it grow old on your plate until they take it away when obsolete 🍽️😁

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5 minutes ago, Mike T said:

Actually he's 100% correct. When you buy digital things, you don't buy a thing - you buy a license to use the thing. So each time you buy a license,you pay a fixed price for each license which is a real thing - just like the hamburger. 

You are in fact right Mike... but looking at it that way, the customer simply needs to ask himself if the price of a second license is worth it - to be able to use what is almost the same product from a coding/creation point of view.

And that is a question everyone needs to answer for himself.

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27 minutes ago, micstatic said:

well I bought it.  It's exactly what I expected.  Could be better, but still dependable.  For some reason when it comes to freight I find the inibuilds A300 freighter more enjoyable to fly.  But apples to oranges

Same here. The only disappointment for me is the external sounds. Apart from that i had an excellent flight from Athens to Manchester for the weather challenge. Very dependable and works as expected. Does the A300 give more character.. yes.. but i also want options.. the 777F gives me that.

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How do the sounds (both internal and external) compare to the P3D version of the 777?

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1 hour ago, Sylle said:

Your comparison does not hold completely when it comes to 'physical' things vs 'digital' things.

To get your second burger it had to go separately through the whole production process from start to finish. No raw material of the first burger you got has been used again for the second one. Part of the manufacturing process might have been shared between the two.

It is slightly different for code and 3D models. There are no raw materials here...
Big parts if not most of the system logic and the art assets did not have to be created again for the cargo version of the 777 so I can see why giving a discount when buying additional version might make sense.

OK. So, if we follow that logic, only one person should ever be charged for an FS aircraft. All the subsequent 'sales' are just exact copies and require no effort, raw materials or anything. It's not like they are selling actual planes. Why are thousands of people being charged for nothing? That goes for the core FS2020 and FS2024 simulators as well. You are just buying copies. Unless, perhaps, there is more to this whole price for software thing. I often wonder where the money for a software engineer's paycheck comes from.

15 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

How do the sounds (both internal and external) compare to the P3D version of the 777?

Externally the engine sounds are too quiet, internally - again quiet, much quieter than the P3D version. I'm very much 50/50 (internally at least) as to what I prefer...

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24 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

How do the sounds (both internal and external) compare to the P3D version of the 777?

The sounds just lack something.  In and out.  The engine start inside the cockpit is nice.  Other than that they are still not great.  Just like p3d.  But boris (who is one of the greatest sound makers) said somebody very good is making replacement sounds.  So I'm fine waiting.  

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