14 minutes ago, psolk said:

So you are actually trying to spin them staying within the constraints of the sim, operating like a business, expanding their user base by potentially thousands or even hundreds of thousands of users and adhering strictly to the MS SDK as a bad thing on their part?

You're tying yourself up in defending PMDG's *choice*

Other developers also adhere to the SDK, as said by the Fenix dev in a previous post you linked. The difference is, these other devs know the limitations of staying wholly within the MSFS engine and have gone with running externally to be able to offer more faithful recreations of the airliners they've created.

PMDG, on the other hand, has stayed within the confines of the MSFS engine solely to be able to sell to the Xbox segment. There are no other benefits from having made that decision. Not faster to market, nor simpler, nor more faithful representation, nor cheaper...

That's the choice they've made.

Anyway, happy release day to all 77F fans.

27 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

You're tying yourself up in defending PMDG's *choice*

I'm not defending anything, people are obviously free to criticize them all they like,  I'm simply pointing out the lengths people will go to spin anything they do into a negative.  I didn't realize you were a part of their development meetings and knew the reasoning behind their choices.

And even if it was solely to be able to market to the XBox segment,  imagine a company being in it to make money.  The nerve of them! 

I am curious about this "faithful representation" though...  So PMDG's planes aren't faithful representations because they use the MSFS engine and not external applications???  Please, provide some data to educate me... 

Some people can find a solution to every problem, some people can find a problem to every solution... 

Edited December 6, 20241 yr by psolk

So what is the asking price? Surely can't be as much as the 773ER?

8 minutes ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

So what is the asking price? Surely can't be as much as the 773ER?

I'm "hoping" it's more along the lines of the 737-600 personally!  Would be great for people to have a lower cost 777 option.  

At least we know it's not going to be $77.7F 😉  

Ironically, the 777-300 is now "on sale", it's marked down by $2.50 LOL  To be fair, I guess that is a sale LOL    

The 200LR will be the low cost option. No way is the F going to be $35!

What is strange is they normally have it pre-loaded into the store for $10M and there is no sign of it anywhere on the site or in the store yet but it is very early on the 6th in the Northeast to be fair.

So we know it will be somewhere "between" $35 and $10M  😉  

Is the 200f fundamentally a different aircraft than the 200er?  The 737s came with their respective freighter models…

54 minutes ago, ShawnG said:

Is the 200f fundamentally a different aircraft than the 200er?  The 737s came with their respective freighter models…

200F shares airframe and engine from 200LR rather then 200ER. 200ER is completely different, has different wing design, Different engine types (PW/RR/GE) and it carries significantly less load then 200LR. 

Already got their 777 and love it but I am likely not buying more of their products when some are so similar in flavor but are charged full price. 

Ie 737s. If the 777f was discounted heavily for current 777 owners.....maybe. 

PMDG needs to get all their current products 100% bug free before adding anything more IMO. 

Again, my opinion 

2 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

The 200LR will be the low cost option. No way is the F going to be $35!

I'm am guessing since (200LR) it is not a popular variant IRL - the price range will be similar to what they charge for 737-600. $35 is reasonable, For 777F however since it is the popular aircraft used by freighter operators - I am thinking the price range will be around $50 or so. PMDG have yet to disclose the pricing for 777F - But based on their previous pricing strategy, The estimates above sounds to be in right range. We will find out later this evening. 

Edited December 6, 20241 yr by CAP1234

If anything it would have made sense for the -200LR and -200F to be bundled, unless they plan to sell the -200LR at a similar price point as the 737-600 I doubt many will be interested in it.

I'll be interested to see what their stance is on a 2024 upgrade for the -200F...I'm certainly interested in this aircraft but can't see myself putting the money out for it until there's some certainty I won't have to pay again to use it in 2024.

Very quiet from PMDG concerning this launch. Certainly not the extended drama of the 737 launches.  Perhaps they’ve taken a lesson from their peers and will not say a word except the announcement of ready to buy, come and get it. 
-B

If we were to get any packages of multiple types it would probably be the 777-200/ER since that is the one using different engine variants. I see them charging appropriately. The LR and the F share quite a few components .. That probably could have been packaged as well but i guess they wanted to part that out. We will see which one they will use as the "promotional product" If they even decide to do so.

5 minutes ago, regis9 said:

If anything it would have made sense for the -200LR and -200F to be bundled, unless they plan to sell the -200LR at a similar price point as the 737-600 I doubt many will be interested in it.

I'll be interested to see what their stance is on a 2024 upgrade for the -200F...I'm certainly interested in this aircraft but can't see myself putting the money out for it until there's some certainty I won't have to pay again to use it in 2024.

Personally, I think that the only reason the 200LR is not included with the F is because they want to offer a low cost option like the 737-600.

Edited December 6, 20241 yr by Christopher Low

17 minutes ago, regis9 said:

If anything it would have made sense for the -200LR and -200F to be bundled, unless they plan to sell the -200LR at a similar price point as the 737-600 I doubt many will be interested in it.

I'll be interested to see what their stance is on a 2024 upgrade for the -200F...I'm certainly interested in this aircraft but can't see myself putting the money out for it until there's some certainty I won't have to pay again to use it in 2024.

Exactly that is what I am thinking as well - Why create two different products when this can be combined into one pack, Charge $70 or so but include 777-200LR and F in same package. But since their 737 release for MSFS - PMDG have learned they can make more money by selling as individual variants rather then combined. 

Edited December 6, 20241 yr by CAP1234