2 hours ago, jfv said:

Words are cheap aren't they, can say them without a clue what you're talking about.

I own everything PMDG did for P3D, and now what they've done for MSFS, just a "port" you say, LOL, ya right...

The new plane is absolutely beautiful, and only the Toliss Airbus in X Plane have as good a VNAV implementation as this. The entire descent was hands off, it was just flawless all the way to landing. In P3D the 777F was what I flew the most of, and now it will be in MSFS as well. 

Say whatever you wish, it's your loss 🙂 

At the prices they charge for P3D quality its definitively not my Loss

I'm on the fence. It's slghtly above my impulse buy price, but in-line with what I may have paid for a base price and an upgrade.

I think once the picture on the timing for moving it to 24 is clearer I'll get it.

Almost certainly a Christmas present for me. Nothing to wrap, but I will just download it on Christmas Day

8 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

Why? Where does this "I must have a discount just because I purchased another product from the same developer" attitude come from? I have the PMDG 737-600, but I would not expect a discount if I decided that I wanted one of the other versions of the 737.

On a side note, how do the sounds compare to the P3D version?

Just a matter of what benefit do I get for my money, I get a couple of cargo doors and no seats in the aircraft that pretty much is the same as I already fly, for $55..  Not interested. If it was less expensive, I might be interested. BTW, I pretty much fly the PMDG 737-800 and 777 95% of the time, they are both great. Have zero interest in flying any other tubeliner. And by the way, the 737 -800 includes 4 different aircraft total, a passenger model, two freighters, and an exec model. 

Edited December 7, 20241 yr by Bobsk8

Too little too late and absolutely too expensive. Fenix, iFly and Justflight are far beyond PMDG's offerings these days.

Well I brought it and so far all is ok. I just wish that they would have included the 77L passenger as well….

It'll be a pass for me... I was kinda looking forward to it, but $55 is too much in my opinion... 

What kinda befuddles me, is that the pricing generally seems high, compared to P3D. They increased their pricing, for P3D, under the excuse/explanation, that they had special license agreements, to enter that market, and that they had different considerations, which had to be taken into account, given their license agreement. 

The PMDG 777 series in P3D was:

• PMDG 777-200LR/F was $134,99
• PMDG 777-300ER (Expansion!) was around $29.99 (as far as I can remember?)
• PMDG 777-200ER (Expansion!)- I never purchased it so I don't know. $24,99 ?

The total package was around $190.

The PMDG 777 series in MSFS is (so far):

• PMDG 777-300ER is $77,73
• PMDG 777-F is: $54,99

If the last two planes (777-200ER and 777-200LR) are $60 (30 for each?), we'll end up with a total of around $190.

The PMDG 737 is even more expensive, compared to the P3D version (which were constrained to the same license conditions).

In P3D the 737-series was:

• PMDG 737-8/900 Base Package was $69,99
• PMDG 737-6/700 Expansion was $24,99

Total was $94,98. Add of course the Freighter and BBJ expansion. I don't know what that amounts to, though... 

In MSFS total PMDG 737-series is:

• PMDG 737-600 is $34,99
• PMDG 737-700 is $74,99
• PMDG 737-800 is $69,99
• PMDG 737-900 is $49,99

Total is (as of date of writing) $229,96.

Now, I know that this is not that precise. But it was just to give a picture of the differences and pricing. I could understand PMDG's reasoning for the price-increase, when the PMDG was developed for P3D. But I don't know... 🙂

Anyway - I guess, that when prices are climbing... they have a hard time descending again. That's not different from anywhere else in the world or line of work.

I guess I can hope for a sale at some point. 🙂

bought because short haul in the 77F around europe is a great way to put FS2020 to good use 🙂

and it can stretch it's legs and cross the atlantic when i have more time

The 200ER expansion pack for P3D was $77.72.

The 200LR in MSFS will probably be the low cost option, so let's assume $34.99.

The 200ER in MSFS will have multiple engine variants, so I expect it to be at least $59.99.

Edited December 7, 20241 yr by Christopher Low

17 minutes ago, anden145 said:

But it was just to give a picture of the differences and pricing. I could understand PMDG's reasoning for the price-increase, when the PMDG was developed for P3D. But I don't know...

Anders, I believe the reasoning was that for many, if not most, of the user base, the new pricing scheme might actually be quite a bit less expensive in MSFS than it had been in P3D, especially for those individuals who were satisfied owning one or two variants of a particular aircraft. Perhaps the logic was that with the availability of the Boeings on XBox, most users would be in that category. I have always been satisfied flying one representative example of a particular class, and so was pleased with the MSFS pricing arrangement.

Is someone is set on owning all of the members of a given class, e.g., the 736, 737, 738, and 739, then yes, the new scheme is considerably more pricey. I think that was known from the get-go, so there shouldn't be any surprise here.

21 minutes ago, anden145 said:

PMDG 777-300ER (Expansion!) was around $29.99 

Using an inflation calculator, the $29.99 in February 2015 for the 777-300ER expansion in P3D is equivalent to $40.33 in 2024. The MSFS 77F has seen a greater increase than the rate of inflation.

$134.99 for the P3D 777 base pack containing -200LR and -F back then is the equivalent of $181.54 now.

The MSFS 77W and 77F together currently cost $129.98 for two of the more popular variants.

You win some and lose some.

@anden145

 

The given reason for the way it was priced for the 737 was due to the way the MS marketplace worked at the time. Not sure how much that has changed in the interim as I only use the Marketplace for FFX products.

Pricing is high if you MUST have all versions, but a lot lower if you will settle for one. Entry into the 737 is only $35 which is a total bargain, entry into the 777 at $55 again a bargain compared to p3d pricing.

Wonder how many people buy one pack, compared to multiple variants. Can see that might be more tempting with the 777 as the freighter isn't packaged with passenger variants as it was with p3d.

G

I could pretty much sum up the current payware flight sim market as giving the customer less, charging more, and diverting support staff to marketing to explain how we're all better off. 

6 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

The 200ER expansion pack for P3D was $77.72.

Which was a rip-off that rankled. Nothing other than a quick and dirty expansion priced to tide them over during the emphasis shift to MSFS.

No sign of the promised updated cockpit textures, awful sounds, and no equivalent deal for -200ER purchasers like buyers of the updated 737NGXu received.

 

10 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

The 200LR in MSFS will probably be the low cost option, so let's assume $34.99.

I think so too. Probably $39.99, but certainly the least popular variant and likely to be the cheapest 777 in PMDG's stable.

59 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

The 200ER expansion pack for P3D was $77.72.

Right,

I purchased the

Base PMDG777-200 LR/F (P3D) for $134.99 (USD)

which was required before I could purchase the

PMDG777-200 ER Expansion (P3D) for $77.72 (USD).

Those are what I am still using today.

 

Note:

Today I only have MSFS2020 and

PMDG 737-700 ($ Free with a PMDG Coupon).

PMDG737-600 $4.99 USD with balance of my PMDG Coupon.

After currently seeing MSFS2024 is more in line with XBOX users I will be waiting a while to see what is going on for PC users.

Edited December 7, 20241 yr by vonmar
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